German Shepherd Dog > NASS Bite Work Videos (74 replies)
NASS Bite Work Videos
by Mr Ready on 31 October 2010 - 20:33
Show Ring Males
by Platz752 on 31 October 2010 - 21:50
|Majority were shallow, chewy grips with extremely low intensity. Were these GSD's?|
by Gustav on 31 October 2010 - 22:52
|The number three dog of first video gave a good presntation.|
All in all I will say the helpers were very careful in their work.
by YogieBear on 01 November 2010 - 00:50
|I am not a "show person" so forgive my ignorance in this - but what is the moral of this story? Seems like a bunch of yelling people running around - and all the men have beer guts...very k-otick..........not to mention the bite work - seems lame....the dogs go do a little "bite" and then they are more than grateful to be taken away from the helper.......very easily I might add with no ob at all......am I missing something in this competition? Or is this what the debate is on sl vs wl? Show dogs vs schutzhund ? Is it just on beauty alone on this competition?|
I have a working Line Male - I have been told that I need to enter him in a conformation show - is this video what I might expect? Is this video might be something like a National schutzhund trail - not sure - but I would like to be enlightened - but I am just curious - how does a working like dog fit in to something like this.... My boy has obvious differences in the bitework section than these dogs are demonstrating.. not to mention there is no ob at all at this NASS...............are these GSD not trainable enough to learn how to strut around a ring without all the K-oss on the side lines....what is this done for?
Again, I am not trying to disrespect what show people do - but I have a interest based on the fact that I "don't know" and would like to branch out......I know my boy is capable of doing "anything" I ask of him - but I am not sure I understand what is going on in this video..........could somebody please explain what the moral of the story is?
by Rik on 01 November 2010 - 01:14
|yogi, it is just an evaluation of structure and is not presented to be anything more.|
the dogs doing the protection phase have all been trialed and titled (subject for another thread) so this is just to allow the judge to see if they have issues with character, not to score points on them It is pass/fail.
The beer guts running around the ring are the owners or trainers of the dog. This is usually referred to as double handling. The reason for this is that the judge usually gaits the dogs for a long period of time, at different speeds, to evaluate structure. No sensible dog is going to keep this up for any amount of time, unless he has a reason to do so. The beer gutted owner, praying to make one more lap without a heart attack, is the motivation for the dog to keep going.
anyway hope this helps,
wish we had one of those popcorn eating icons. bet this one goes down hill pretty fast.
by crhuerta on 01 November 2010 - 01:31
|Rik....our "guts" are not the result of beer...LOL!|
by remione1 on 01 November 2010 - 01:52
|Cpt. Max von Stephanitz would be proud|
by Rik on 01 November 2010 - 02:11
|hi Robin, I was using yogi's description.|
just learned this past week that Horand, the dog Captain Max originally intended to found the breed on was a show dog from a line of show dogs, none with titles. If he had just spent a little time on the internet, he would have known from the start that it wouldn't work.
by remione1 on 01 November 2010 - 02:26
| Rik, |
Thanks for clarifying that for us. I didn't realize Horand had a roach, or sloped back, weak nerves, poor grip, & weak back end, so way to go. The showline today is EXACTLY what Horand "the showline dog" was. Keep up the good work, he would be proud.
by deacon on 01 November 2010 - 03:03
|> Disappointing to say the least!!|
by SitasMom on 01 November 2010 - 03:44
by gsdsch3v on 01 November 2010 - 06:27
|thank you for posting the bitework video. Definetly appreciate the time to put those together and upload them. It is nice to get to see them on video at least if you can't get to the show. It does look better than in past years, however I still believe that this is a function of the fact that humans are inherantly lazy and will take the path of least resistance required- since the standards have been creeping up loh and behold the performances creep up also with training time and effort. ;) |
by Mr Ready on 01 November 2010 - 12:10
| Here are parts 3 and 4 of the Males doing Bite Work |
by SitasMom on 01 November 2010 - 13:13
|Maybe it's more about risk then laziness.|
Since VA dogs are worth several thousands of dollars, Could it be that the owners are concerned that they might be injured while doing protection work. Maybe the owners only do enough to keep the dogs biting enough to pass at the shows?
by DeesWolf on 01 November 2010 - 14:12
|This is a serious question, as I am noticing a trend in performance tests...What happened to the stick hits? Granted in most of the video footage you are unable to see the dog on the sleeve in the attack out of the blind and drive and you can also see the judge is unable to see the grip on sleeve. However, the ones you can see, it is clear that the stick hits are basically non-existant. I noticed the same thing in the videos from the German Sieger Show. |
Congratulations to TeMar for having the only dog I saw on the videos worth the rating of pronounced! Well done! Nice to see a dog with heart at the performance test.
The other performance tests aren't worth commenting on.
by YogieBear on 01 November 2010 - 16:15
|Hey Rik - thanks for the info. you had stated: the dogs doing the protection phase have all been trialed and titled (subject for another thread) so this is just to allow the judge to see if they have issues with character, not to score points on them It is pass/fail. Where they titled on this type of bite work? What is the criteria they are judged on during a show on the bite work? As well is there a routine - like in schtuzhund? I am not trying to start any argument - I have never been to a dog show. So, this is just an educational question to inlighten me.... Best Regards.|
by Rik on 01 November 2010 - 22:07
|hello yogi, I will answer any question I can, because you ask seriously. And I will not present anything as correct or incorrect, only as I see it and you form your own opinion. Also there are those with much more experience than me in these matters who may correct something I say. Honestly, until recently I spent my time in American shows.|
So, since you have asked, I will present my view of this in both theory and in reality.
The dogs submitted for the protection phase are are all trialed and titled dogs. Having passed the requirements of their title. this "mini test" consists of an attack from the blind and a long bite. Also shows the dog is capable of heeling off leash. This allows both the judge and the spectators to get a more complete picture of the dog, that they may have never seen. Many people are attempting to evaluate a dog for breeding or to obtain a pup from, so this is valuable to them.
many of these dogs are very poorly trained (because the owner only cares for show) as shown by the inability to perform the simplest of commands such as heel (or fuss).
Some suggest that many of these titles are not real, that the dog never trialed and titled in a real trial. From first hand experience, I do not disagree with them. Many have seen a Sch.3 dog run from even this very basic challenge..
So in closing, I will say this, I enjoy the show ring. I offer no excuse for what you see here. Honestly, what sensible defense can I offer. "But, they are soooo purdy". This is absurd. If many seek "purdy" there are still the few who seek correct.
I appreciate that you approach this as an adult. Who knows how some new person may be influenced because you chose to do so, instead of calling everyone with a different vision "stupid".
by Liesjers on 01 November 2010 - 22:57
|This is the new standard of suck. The test has gotten even EASIER and the performances are WORSE. |
by Jacko on 01 November 2010 - 23:24
|yep just like every world qualifier scores their personal best at the worlds. Oh wait did some not score. Have you ever worked a dog, put them on a plane and flew them across the country (or just traveled regionally) to an event. |
Not discussing weakness of a dog, However with the lack on entries, there are only a select few who have experience doing this and understand how it works. Which is another reason why every culb memeber does not travel to the schutzhund trials in different areas, what surface are we tracking on, blah blah.
just food for thought.
by SchaeferhundSchH on 02 November 2010 - 00:01
|Wow quite a few of those performances were very poor. I would be embarrassed to be half of those people with those dogs out there. |
V Griff v TeMar SchH2 looked good out there. (that was the third dog in the first video)
A majority of those show lines are very handler sensitive and are very weary of their owners presence approaching from behind..
is that a nerve issue? or a handler/owner being WAY to harsh on their dogs? Since they clearly don't spend enough time working on their dogs but expect the same obedience as top level dogs...
one of the dogs in the second video actually LAYS DOWN the woman screams so harshly at it..........
a lot of poor examples for the breed, and poor examples for showlines, and poor examples of handling. I think its multiple things causing these dogs to look like this.
I need to go watch something to cheer me up now LOL