German Shepherd Dog > breeding advice (20 replies)
by ltsgsd on 07 August 2012 - 02:36
I have been asked by a lady at my Schutzhund Club which male I would pair with this pedigree. As I have not bred dogs, I thought I would pass this onto the ones who do.The Pedigree is of Baghira and it is his sister ,Buffy who is in the States. She is IPO 1, and is working as a security dog at this time. Her hips/elbows are A normal. This will be a working litter. She is all black and is smaller than her brother but within standard. Good on off switch, in bitework she hits like a freight train, very good tracker.
by SitasMom on 07 August 2012 - 03:12
do you have potential buyers for all of the puppies?
have you done a DM test?
does she have a breed survey?
by darylehret on 07 August 2012 - 05:04
Yeah, ltgsd, have YOU? LOL Nevermind your effin question.
by workingdogz on 07 August 2012 - 12:26
sitasmom, how hypocritical of you to even make
a comment like that! are you for real??
You bred untitled dogs! You still DO!
You flog your/Eurosport dogs/pups on this
board and others all the time.
Do you have buyers for all your pups?
I'd guess not since you peddle them here
every chance you get.
To the OP, nice pedigree on the bitch, she has a
pretty decent 'open' pedigree compared to most
these days. Sky is the limit for you, see what she
needs improved, what she has too much of or not
enough of. I'd make sure the male you choose is
known for good hip production for sure.
A lot will depend on what you want to produce.
by SitasMom on 07 August 2012 - 15:05
first 2 were fair questions, third was snarky....
ask her breeder what bloodlines he/she would suggest.....
i don't flog dogs
i have a waiting list - vast majority from referrals, all my puppies are sold with limited registration and guaratees...
only 1 of my dogs used for breeding isn't titled......but is well on her way, she was injured and it set her back http://www.rallhaus.com/Pages/OurDogs.aspx .
i don't have any advertisements on this board, haven't actually advertised one of my own since honey x zambo litter......i have advertised for others.
extra high drive puppies are harder to place correctly. much care must be taken to find the right homes for them..... having potential clients prior to breeding is always good to have..... developing a good relationship and keeping in contact is also important. understanding that if the proper homes are not found in your timeframe means you might have one or two of the puppies past 8 weeks is also a consideration.
by EuroShepherd on 07 August 2012 - 16:37
Buffy has a nice, very interesting pedigree, so many options about what she could do in breeding. Buffy's brother has very nice structure, hopefully Buffy does also.
Assuming that choosing a stud who comes from a quality pedigree, is titled and has good health tests is a given, Buffy's owner should also consider the following when picking out a stud.
What qualities does she like the most about Buffy and wants to continue? What aspects does she dislike the most about Buffy? What characteristics are most important to Buffy's owner?
Buffy's owner should choose a male who will compliment Buffy's best aspects, improve Buffy's worst aspects (as in, he does not have the same faults that Buffy does, and preferrably he is superior in the areas where Buffy may be weak in) and perhaps also possesses qualities that Buffy's owner is particularly fond of in the GSD breed.
Since we don't know exactly what Buffy's best/worst aspects are and what particular traits Buffy's owner wants the most, it's difficult to recommend a specific stud.
by workingdogz on 07 August 2012 - 16:55
You have bred more than just one untitled
bitch, what about the dogs you no longer have?
You've gone through so many it's hard to keep
track. But there was an untitled male & female,
not even sure if you xrayed them. Do I need to
jog your memory? You were going to do a 'test
breeding before deciding whether to spend
the money to title them or not'.
Please be honest.
And yes, you certainly do pimp your own and
Eurosport dogs/puppies here every chance you
Now, back to the OP's post, you will need to find
out what the females stengths and weaknesses are,
then seek out a stud that compliments and compensates
her the best.
by SitasMom on 07 August 2012 - 17:28
workingdogz - go back to sleep and maybe you'll wake up in a better mood.......lol
by workingdogz on 07 August 2012 - 17:48
|I'm in a fine mood actually.|
Just don't like to see hypocritical crap.
Sucks when people remember details huh?
by SitasMom on 07 August 2012 - 18:26
dont give a dang about details form years past.
by darylehret on 08 August 2012 - 00:41
It should be obvious you were deviating yourself, skirting the question while missing a great opportunity at making a sensible and helpful post, as Euroshepherd has. Whether or not you gained half a brain of dog knowledge over the years, rest assured, you have NOT gained half a brain :-( Has it really come to YOU, of all people, to be condescending the members of this board?!
by darylehret on 08 August 2012 - 01:11
|I'm going to half apologize for that comment, as I confused you with another of Eurosport's broker friends.|
by Chaz Reinhold on 08 August 2012 - 02:06
|OP, I don't know how knowledgeable the owner is, but when I buy a dog it is for a reason. I like the parents, pedigree, drive, aggression, etc. I would think an owner would have their own goals in mind. What does this person want to produce? Tomatoes or a kick ass dog? Obviously, you like what you have in the female or you wouldn't want her pleasured, right? So what are we looking for in the male.|
by ltsgsd on 08 August 2012 - 03:39
|To answer a few questions here. I do not own this dog. After seeing her work , I wouldn't mind owning her though. There are buyers for the pups. I do not know about a breed survey but will ask. From seeing the dog it has good aggression in bitework but can also curl up at your feet at home. Very protective of her territory and family. She tracks with a deep nose, steady and confidently. Her conformation is similar to her Brothers but as I stated she is smaller but in standard for size. I need to see her drives. The owner is looking to breed for working puppies.|
Now to address another issue that is a continuing aggravating and annoying occurance to those of us on here who ask questions and are trying to learn. If you have a dispute with someone on this form many of us are sick and tired of you hi jacking our threads to throw dirt at one another. I am asking nicely that you guys take your beef to the PM's and leave the rest of us out of it. You all are childish and rude to say the least and I would hope the moderators would step in at some time to shut you guys up. Now , if you have something to add to this particualr discussion, please do so, otherwise stay out of it.
by darylehret on 08 August 2012 - 05:04
|According to the HD-Zuchtwerte standings, the dam with the a3 hips is producing a LOT better than the sire with the a1 hips. So, more because of her sire, a breeding to an improved hip producer might be considered. I wouldn't give a damn about a DM until a reliable test becomes available. It could be encouraged to attempt to determine if any near family (siblings, parent's siblings) have deveoped any heritable health conditions. Once you determine the points for preservation and improvement, the path becomes a little clearer for mate selection. If it were me, I'd want to retain that ability to settle, utilizing a stud that demonstrates clear control of it's drives.|
by yellowrose of Texas on 08 August 2012 - 05:41
Since I am familiar with Iska, the Dam of Myah, whom I have posted about and pictured here many times,
SG Iska vom Kapbusch , it would be a very good phone call to make to Meerhout, and speak with the owner of Iska as he can probably help you with many answers to your lady friends questions .
If you would like to find out about the abilities of MYAH, an Iska daughter out of Lago , Larry Vzants sire, you can pm or email Dave Kroyer , google on our website.
Both of these men have had hands on with the Kapbusch line
by SitasMom on 08 August 2012 - 05:56
yr - excellent suggestions......
by duke1965 on 08 August 2012 - 06:06
|maybe if people have to ask others what male to use, they shouldnot be breeding at all puppies enough that have a hard time finding a new home|
by yellowrose of Texas on 08 August 2012 - 06:36
MY first reaction was, like DUKE,,where is the schutzhund club leadership???
Who sold her this dog, and why has no mentor stepped up to this situation?
Maybe we are wrong, maybe she just wanted someone else's suggestions.
Puzzles me why people buy dogs ,and do not know WHO to go to for info or help?
But that is why we are all here, to PROD the info to the right place, right?
by duke1965 on 08 August 2012 - 07:00
|in some of these type of questions I feel like people are trying to draw attention and presell some pups, im not saying that this is the case here at all , but if you dont have a clue what you are looking at or looking for, better not to breed at all .|
think about what can also happen, medical complications , healthproblems on pups, directly, or later on after they are sold ,who will be your puppybuyers, and will they be good for what im producing,will pups be too much for them , or to little.
better do your homework first, look around, figure out what kind of dogs you want to breed , talk to people , train your dog(s) talk to breeders, read alot, until you are able to make well thought out choices and than become a breeder instead of somebody who is producing yet another litter
my 2 eurocents