German Shepherd Dog > Panosteitis? (20 replies)
by Perry57 on 06 August 2012 - 18:14
|Has anyone ever experienced this with their GSD? IF so, how long did each episode last? And how long did the whole thing last?|
My vet diagnoised Perry with it. This is his third time he has been limping for a week's time. This time it has been the worse. He can barely walk because his back right leg is so sore. He is barely eating as well because of it. The first 2 times it was his front right leg and it lasted about a week, but his overall attitude is worse this time. He has just been laying and sleeping for a bit over a week.
by Rik on 06 August 2012 - 18:39
|Pano can improve/disappear with full maturity. The "traveling" from limb to limb is common. I have over the years owned several dogs that had pano. Only one did not grow out of it. Vet usually perscribed steroid treatment and the generally accepted wisdom was to feed the lowest protein food available. Not sure what is recommended now.|
Unless something has changed, it will just have to run it's course. Non steroidal pain medicines may make the dog more comfortable, I would check with vet first.
Also, there have been quite a few discussions here. A search may yeild info.
by workingdogz on 06 August 2012 - 18:47
Not much you can do but let it run
Most vets will prescribe Rimadyl or
some other type of anti-inflammatory.
There is a mix of opinions on whether to
medicate or not to relieve pain.
Some say no, dog will run the risk of hurting
itself more because he won't feel any pain.
I think if the dog is so miserable and sore he
can't hardly move, then yes, alleviate some
of that pain! Christ, I live on Tylenol
Lower protein diet is said to help as well,
as it doesn't encourage rapid growth.
by trixx on 06 August 2012 - 19:05
|i have a male that had pano, one time and i used Ester C 1000mg once aday,this worked great, it took a week or so but it worked and if i ever have another this is what i will use. my boy was over Pano by the time he was 2 years, but some can take longer.out side of this you just have to wait it out. what did your vet say?|
by kimaru on 06 August 2012 - 19:14
|My male has been diagnosed with pano. My vet recommended that I watch his activity level. Lots of rest. Rimadyl did not help my pup so my vet ended having to put him on a steriod. Each episode my male has changes depending on what he was doing. We are still going through it. I just try to make him as comfortable as possible when it flares up.|
by Eldee on 06 August 2012 - 19:45
|It goes away eventually. Maya has it in her front legs. Sometimes she limps on her right and sometimes on her left. I just take it easy with her when she is limping and I will give her a 325 mg stomach guard aspirin at night. I give her vitamin c every day and vitamin e as well when she starts to limp and ease back a bit when it goes away. You really do feel sorry for them, sometimes young kids get the same thing in their legs. Eventually they all grow up and the pains just go away. i think aspirin is better than anything stronger.|
by joanro on 06 August 2012 - 19:53
|I have read that a virus may be the cause of pano and that it wasn't seen until puppy vaccine became common. Don't know if it's true or not, but I had a pup with it and the pano flared up again after vaccinating at one year. Aspirin seems to help and side effects are nil.|
by edith on 07 August 2012 - 00:16
|Pano is linked to the dystemper virus/vaccination. The research is out there. Also, if the dog was spayed or neutered young this can cause an inflamatory response and make the pano worse. If you have access to a naturopathic vet, there are some very good remedies to boost the immune system. And DO NOT VACCINATE until the dog has completely recovered from the pano. This can exacerbate the sysmptoms, cause a recurrance and/or cause other health issues. The vaccination companies clearly do not recommend vaccination if the animal is ill.|
by TonyCronin on 07 August 2012 - 07:36
|I currently have a litter out of a recent German Import, Pups are now 9 months, I have three here that are real bad, we are seeing it in all limbs periodically, I am using a little Metacam as and when pain bad but it is a real nightmare. Pain appears to be from mild to extreme at times, Have come close to Euthanasia at times when I thought there was no way forward, I have total trust in my vet though and have a friend that had a similar problem with one of his and suddenly it was gone, Fingers crossed !!|
Mine were on BARF until 4 and a half months then put them on RC Maxi Junior, high protein puppy, then the problem started but it does start at roughly this age so we cannot put it dowm to the high pro diet change, I have them now on a Low pro Chicken and Rice complete
by shrabe on 07 August 2012 - 16:57
|My young male developed pano at 6 months and it was debilitating, he was not just limping but hobbling, he would put no weight on the affected limb at it traveled to all of them. Vet prescribed something other than rimadyl as I did not want it, to be hones it did not help. I gave baby aspirin when it was bad, cut back on his food to keep his growth slow and crate rest. I feed an all stages food, so protein was not too high. He just recently in the last few months grew out of it he is 17 months now.|
by Jenni78 on 07 August 2012 - 16:59
|Edith, how do you explain pano in dogs who are second generation unvaccinated?|
by fawndallas on 07 August 2012 - 17:07
|Up front: I know nothing about this issue. I read over the threads with health issues to increase my knowledge on how to better help my dogs.|
That said, I did find this warning out on the internet. Take it with a grain of salt.
by kitkat3478 on 07 August 2012 - 17:29
|I just read, Pano is often misdiagnosed , that it is a totally false assumption that vaccines cause Pano. Yes, vaccines can cause siide effects that mimic Pano, but IT IS NOT Pano, That is a dangerous statement to say vaccine causes Pano. I do vaccinate due to the high occurances of parvo in my area. I just spent a considerable amount of time researching it, BEFORE I posted.|
by edith on 08 August 2012 - 02:34
Read this published research. An unvaccinated dog can still come into contact with distemper in the environment.
by Jenni78 on 08 August 2012 - 03:04
|I'm sure they can, Edith. I just think it's an awfully big coincidence to have multiple generations of unvaccinated dogs get pano and they all happen to be related. I think there is a genetic component, and it seems to be more prevalent in very substantially built dogs w/heavy bone from my personal experience as well as what I've gathered from studying others' experiences as well.|
by kitkat3478 on 08 August 2012 - 10:33
|Edith-with all due respect, what the heck does that statement "An unvaccinated dog can still come into contact with distemper in the environment" mean?|
by edith on 08 August 2012 - 12:44
|All living creatures are exposed to viruses in their environment. For example, you go for a walk in the mall. You would be amazed at the viruses and bacteria you come into contact with. Doesn't mean you will get sick, but you certainly come into contact. this is one of the ways your body can build up a natural immunity.|
The same is true for your dog. As it sniffs around on a walk, or you take your dog out to the country for a run, it will come into contact with the viruses and bacteria in that environment. In fact, my vet just came back from a seminar and one of the topics was that dogs who never go out of their yard are the ones that need to be vaccinated as they did not come into contact with enough things to build their immunity.
And just because it comes into contact does not mean it will get sick. It may just gain immunity from the contact depending on the strength of the immune system.
It is amazing the diseases that stray cats carry. And there are lots of them in any given area. And you would be amazed at how many foxes etc. live in and around us.
I am not saying don't vaccinate, but don't over do it and certainly do not do it if the dog is suffering from a medical condition. the vaccine manufacturers state this. Vets don't always follow this advice. Read Catherine O'Driscoll's book " What vets don't tell you about Vaccinations". Very informative. Do your research.
Ifyou read the vet article on the link I posted, it may answer some questions. Read all of it a couple of times. With the dogs that are all related, are they sure the diagnosis is accurate? And sometimes things happen and we never know why. And there is always a chance that there is the distemper virus somewhere in the area where the dogs have been living/walked. Some viruses can live for a very long time.
I don't have all the answers. I can only tell you what I have learned from personal experience. I have only had 2 puppys get pano, and they both were given the same distemper only vaccine and they aslo reacted to their first puppy combo shot, which is why we broke down the vaccination and waited before giving the next one. The female was spayed at 6 months and her symptoms were a lot worse than her littermate who was not neutered. I started asking questions and hence this info.
THe mayo clinic did research on the harm of spaying/neutering large dog too young. In spite of this research, the vet association still recommends doing this by 6 months.
by kitkat3478 on 08 August 2012 - 14:28
|That's why I state it is harmful to spay early, but I still see no corelation between distemper shots and pano. I have NEVER had a case of Pano. I feed all my dogs, pups 24/20 dog food, all year round and they can eat as much or as little as they want. My pups are never confined to a small area, they can run to their hearts content. I do think nutrition and exercise play a very large part in Pano, Shots, no. I have been raising German Shepherds for nearly 20 years. Just my own experience. BTW, I don't believe much in some vets, $$$ is their motivating factor in everything.|
by joanro on 08 August 2012 - 20:12
|What I read pertaining to pano and a virus suspected as the cause, I did not see that the vaccine caused it. But what I read was that pano was not around until puppy vaccinations were developed and administered as accepted protocol. The vac may do something to the immune system to allow "pano virus" to take hold..my speculation.The pup I had with it was over the bout for months before age one and after admi. 5way, pano came back. Could have been a coincidence, but may have also stirred up pano again. Noway to ever know, pano was over in a few days and never came back...that was about ten years ago. Maybe, if a virus is indeed the culprit here, it is like rabies in raccoons: supposedly, captive born raccoons can spontaniusly develop rabies.....like the virus sits dormant and is passed onto unborn kits? If someone on here knows something regarding this, they will expound on it ? I'm not suggesting pano is in anyway related to rabies.|
by gsdluvr123 on 07 September 2012 - 19:23
|Don't feel bad. My 8 month old, male GSD has been suffering for going on a month with only the right front leg. It has gotten to the point he will not put weight on it and finally is eating sporadically. (He has a hearty appetite normally).|
I have done MANY Xrays and my vet only sees PANO. As a matter of fact, he sees it in all 4 limbs, but only the right front is symptomatic at the moment.
He is taking Deramaxx, but I don't think it's helping much. We have curtailed all walks, and been encouraging him to rest all this time, but still it persists.
I have called the vet again to let him know it does not appear to be improving. In fact, just the opposite.
My last GSD had it too. But his was more typical, wandering from leg to leg, about a week at a time. I hope it's nothing more serious?