German Shepherd Dog > Looking for opinions on what lines to cross with this pedigree? (13 replies)
Looking for opinions on what lines to cross with this pedigree?
by WanderLust on 15 July 2012 - 22:58
|I'm looking for opinions from the more experienced members on here. Who would you want to see crossed with this pedigree and why?|
by macrowe1 on 15 July 2012 - 23:46
by djc on 15 July 2012 - 23:48
|hummmm wanderlust.... there is no pedigree for us to look at?!!|
But setting that aside, you need to also tell us what you are looking to get out of the breeding. That is the only way anyone can suggest directions to go.
by Q Man on 16 July 2012 - 01:07
|"Breeding for Dumbies 101"|
This is an easy match up...
by WanderLust on 16 July 2012 - 02:57
|LOL Well that was a great start LOL Here it is....|
As for what I want, I'm after your opinions, who you would cross him with and why.
by djc on 16 July 2012 - 03:12
|Looks to have a super nice wl ped! I see Fero in there 4 times in 6 generations so I might want to stay away from very much more Fero. Good hip background so no problems there. Lots of other nice dogs in there to line on. Lots of V dogs that also SG'd and V'd at the BSP. But it's way more than JUST the pedigree and lines per se. Just as important as line breeding, or not... is what YOUR dogs brings and lacks. You have to analyze what your dog needs and what his strengths are, and what direction you want to go in improving, then people can tell you what lines to go to.|
by ziegenfarm on 16 July 2012 - 06:14
|1 yr & 4 mo of age.........hmmmm.|
by WanderLust on 16 July 2012 - 07:38
|I am still fairly new and am just trying to learn some of the dogs - what they bring to the table, how certain lines compliment others and why people like them so much. That is why I asked the question... for my own education, and that of anyone else interested.|
I am looking for another dog (female) in the next year or so to add to my pack and who knows, maybe it will be one I find thru what I learn on this thread. I will never be a serious international competitor/breeder. My long term goals would be more hobby level, with very limiting breeding, providing high quality dogs with unlimited potential for myself, family and friends looking for family companions/protectors and sport use. That doesn't mean I will be a backyard breeder who doesn't care about the future of the breed. On the contrary, I strongly believe in preserving and working to improve upon the GSD's working ability as well as their physical and mental soundness. I choose to do this thru the WL GSDs as I see them being the future of the breed, as well as it's foundation.
However, to satisfy your curiosity/questions and to brag a tad, he is a phenomenal dog. Strong, with great muscle, heavy bone and a wonderfully large proportionate head. He is a dark sable with expressive amber eyes set in a dark black face and 26" exactly at the shoulders. I keep him at a lean 86 lbs and he turns heads everywhere he goes. His personality is wonderful as well. A very stable, courageous dog, not nervy at all.
His tracking is deep nosed, but he does still have a hard time focusing on a track for more than 50-70 feet. That has been improving though as his attention span gets longer with maturity.
Obedience is animated, sharp, eager and correct. He will work for any positive feedback, be it verbal, food or toy. But of course he really shines when I bring out his tug or ball.
Bite work is full force and hard, with very full grips. From a puppy he has had super high prey, hunt, play and fight drives. Never had to teach him what a flirt pole or tug was for. As soon as he "wins" anything, he immediatly rams it right back at you to continue the "game." The first time he saw a puppy sleeve at 4 months he launched himself at it and almost swalled it whole! LOL He's been that way in every step of his training. At 6-10 months he actually scared several younger decoys off with his eagerness, as they were clueless how to handle him. He has never been what I would call overly agressive, just a lot of dog who lives to work. If you put a sleeve on or pick up a whip in front of him, don't be stupid and look away, even for a second (even with only a few years experience the decoys should have known better)! He's very serious about his bitework and doesn't look away from the decoy even when he is biting or carrying the sleeve! He's never bit a person, only the equipment, but he makes believers out of decoys fast. I've had to resort to driving 2 1/2 hours one way each week to get to a better trainer/decoy but it has been worth it. His drives are unbelieveable and when managed/handled correctly he just shines. Very high food and prey, with defense coming in nicely and well balanced as he matures. Solid, deep, generous LOUD barking in all his protection work. I hear over and over again from those who see him at our club for the first time, that they can't believe how advanced he is for his age (just about 18 months). Which I take as the highest compliment since he is my first sport/schutzhund dog. Frankly, he makes me look good as I'm such a novice.
But best of all, I can take him anywhere with me. He is truely a stable dog that readily accepts anyone I tell him is OK, warns off those I don't and is gentle with other animals. I have a small hobby farm and he, albeit with a bit of training to check all that prey drive, is safe around everything from cats, chickens, ducks, turkeys and horses. The only thing I have found he really has a hard time containing himself around is my rabbits. He wants one so badly! LOL
by kitkat3478 on 16 July 2012 - 10:03
|Very good looking boy you got there. It's nice you sound so pleased and happy with him.|
by Gustav on 16 July 2012 - 12:56
|Needs to go to some Czech lines....of course there's more to it than that, as there are types within the Czech lines that have different strengths.....but almost any west WL is going to bring more drive and Fero. But that's just my take.|
by WanderLust on 21 July 2012 - 05:26
|I have heard DDR or Czech would be a good direction to look, but not sure where to look there. I have a female who is DDR and her strength is definately defense while my boy's is prey. I wouldn't mind bringing a bit more defense and natural tracking ability like she has to the table when looking to cross him, but my girl is spade. She is a great dog, just not breeding stock in my opinion.|
by WanderLust on 21 July 2012 - 05:32
|This is one upcoming litter that was recommended to me:|
by WanderLust on 21 July 2012 - 05:40
|I've also had these two females recommended:|
Franka von der Staatsmacht
by WanderLust on 21 July 2012 - 06:28
|Other recommendations I've received...|