German Shepherd Dog > What do you think of this dog? (125 replies)
What do you think of this dog?
by Red Sable on 07 July 2012 - 17:22
by Ibrahim on 07 July 2012 - 18:05
|Weak pasterns and cow hocks|
I have a laugh on my cheek because I remember how you and Debi Sue would immediately notice the cow hocks and splayed feet on my dogs, so here is a famous dog having the same/similar problems
by EuroShepherd on 07 July 2012 - 18:13
|Pasterns do look a tad weak, in the second photo he is standing cow hocked...question is does he move cow hocked? Otherwise he's a handsome dog, looks like he's a lil overweight. Who is he?|
by Chaz Reinhold on 07 July 2012 - 18:13
|Is that the cousin to the great, great, great, great, great, grandson of the full brother to Rin Tin Tin?|
by Red Sable on 07 July 2012 - 19:30
I agree with you Ibrahim. Actually he was VERY weak in the pasterns, the pic doesn't do it justice.
He is the dog that won at Westminister this year, and his handler/owner is Jimmy Moses. So, is he Chaz? LOL
by FunnyDogs on 07 July 2012 - 19:58
|Thats who I thought it was.|
by dantes on 07 July 2012 - 22:17
|Pasterns are awful, cow-hocked to the max, croup looks all wrong and it is fat. See dogs like that in any pound....|
by vonissk on 08 July 2012 - 00:40
|He stands cow hocked--lots do but he sure doesn't move that way. He does leave a lot to be desired in the pastern department and when he moves you can see that. But then again it's AKC and Jimmy Moses.|
by Gustav on 08 July 2012 - 01:34
|I wonder what he will pass to his progeny....the faults or Jimmy Moses?|
by joanro on 08 July 2012 - 02:55
|Too funny, Gustav. I bet both. :)|
by BoCRon on 08 July 2012 - 03:27
|Hocks and pasterns aside, all I could think was "Fat, American Dog!".|
by FerrumGSDs on 08 July 2012 - 03:47
by marjorie on 08 July 2012 - 03:57
--->I wonder what he will pass to his progeny....the faults or Jimmy Moses?
by vonissk on 08 July 2012 - 04:11
|Gustav you are way too funny..............I needed that laugh...........|
by TingiesandTails on 08 July 2012 - 04:28
|LOL BoCRon, my thoughts exactly!|
by Hutchins on 08 July 2012 - 04:39
|The first thing I see about this dog's pasterns is the fault that they are too long. That could be the reason for them to be weak. I have seen dogs with the correct length of pastern and they are still weak. I have also seen dogs with pastern just as long as this dog's and they were not weak. So whether the pasterns are weak or not, the fault begins with the length, not if they are weak or not. Regardless a weak pastern is undesirable no matter what the reason is. JMO|
As for the dog standing cowhocked, doesn't mean he gaits that way. There are many dogs, from all countries work or show lines, that stand cowhocked but move correctly. On the other hand there are many that don't clean up when gaiting and do move cowhocked. I have noticed an increasing trend with this happening more and more with the working lines also. JMO
As for the dog appearing fat, I do know for a fact that many, if not most American showline dogs are blessed with a nice thick coat that after the proper grooming, could make a dog appear fat.. Groomers take alot of pride in their finished job of grooming. The physical appearance and condition of the German showline dog's coat does not go to the extreme that the American showline GSDs do. Its just a matter of what one country likes verses another one. I would not say one is more correct over the other. I would never say a dog is fat unless I could actually put my hands on the dog and see for myself that the dog is actually fat or over weight. I have been wrong many times thinking a dog was fat, until I made it a point to actually feel for myself. That is when I learned about the coat the American showline's had and the awesome pride the American groomers take in their grooming technic. JMO
by EuroShepherd on 08 July 2012 - 06:26
Totally right, Hutchins, on all points. I didn't think about it when looking at the pic, but in the AKC ring the dogs do get their coats seriously fluffed to make them look as plush as possible, so that very well could just be coat and not chub. Grooming is the one thing that I think the American show ring does better than the German show ring (in regards to GSDs.)
Dantes, I've seen much worse cow hocks, so this dog is certainly not cow-hocked to the max, to accurately judge if a dog is truly cow hocked it must be seen while the dog is gaiting. Nor is the croup wrong, actually it is a very good looking lay of croup, especially for an ASL, the dog's angulation is rather moderate for an ASL. I highly doubt you see dogs like this regularly in the pound.
So the only fault that can really be known from the photos is the pasterns, which is fairly easy to correct in breeding and selection.
by susie on 08 July 2012 - 08:01
|Out of "bestinshowdaily.com" :|
His lineup included last year’s Number 1 Herding dog, German Shepherd GCh. Babheim’s Captain Crunch, owned by Jimmy and Janet Moses, Sheree Moses, Deborah Stern, Carlos Navarro and Maria Deschamps, and handled by Jimmy
A lot of owners for one dog...
I don´t like handlers in suits, I do like them in training clothes...
by EuroShepherd on 08 July 2012 - 08:18
Don't like the suits? I've always liked the suits and nice clothes, much better than frayed t-shirts or sweats some people wear.
Janet Moses? Did Jimmy get re-married? If so then I wonder how it works out to co-own dogs with a spouse and an ex-spouse...
A lot of top winning dogs in AKC have a bunch of co-owners, pretty common. My guess is it helps spread around the campaign costs and the people get name recognition and a ticket into the popular in-crowd of the AKC show world elite.
by reason on 08 July 2012 - 08:18
|Von Stephaitz would turn in his grave at the thought of this never mind the sight of it,|