German Shepherd Dog > Be the solution! (46 replies)
Be the solution!
by Keith Grossman on 03 July 2012 - 03:03
|Stop supporting breeders who breed crap dogs.|
Post your list here about how we identify bad breeders...feel free to include links the their websites.
by vomeisenhaus on 03 July 2012 - 03:48
|Would be much less work to list the good ones.|
by Western Rider on 03 July 2012 - 04:01
It would do more good for your cause to list the good breeders rather than the bad ones.
Make a list of what you think is a good breeder.
Then others who have experience with breeders that match your list can tell about them.
Just because you make a list of what you call bad breeders does not really stop them or take money away from them.
Sending buyers to a good breeder will and help a good breeder.
Should you wish to post about a bad breeder please read the TOS rules 5, 6, and 8, first before you post just for a start.
by Konotashi on 03 July 2012 - 12:15
Anyone breeding dogs without pedigrees.
by kardot on 03 July 2012 - 12:55
Comment deleted. Anyone else signing up new names to bash a competitor breeder will immediately be deleted and banned.
by BoCRon on 03 July 2012 - 13:05
|There are 2 in my vicinity that I have seen pups from on more than one occasion. It is pretty sad that people paid good money for these dogs. One of my clients (boarding) has been through so many health issues already and the dog is only 18mos old :(. I actually keep a bookmark folder of all the "FAIL" breeders I find, but these are the only 2 I have actually seen pups from.|
by hexe on 03 July 2012 - 14:41
|BoCRon, OMG...My mind is REELING. HOW can the AKC defend registering some of these animals as purebred German Shepherd Dogs????|
'Disgust' is too mild a term for what I'm feeling right now.
by joanro on 03 July 2012 - 14:51
Deleted post, no direct experience with either breeder, mrdarcy (admin)
by Red Sable on 03 July 2012 - 15:05
|Anyone who doesn't offer any type of sales contract/health guarantee.|
Totally disagree with this one. Some of the best breeders out there don't make you sign a contract nor offer a health guarantee.
Both can be useless as seen by many examples on this board.
I prefer breeders that sell their pups at a reasonable cost ( as pups are pretty much a crap shoot anyway), and buyer takes the chance.
by Keith Grossman on 03 July 2012 - 15:31
|I have to go with RS on this, at least for experienced people. No contract or guarantee was ever discussed between Axel's breeder and myself. I researched and approved of the breeding and took my chances.|
by HighDesertGSD on 03 July 2012 - 15:57
|"Anyone who doesn't prove their dogs' working abilities prior to breeding.|
Dogs don't have to work today.
"Anyone who doesn't know what lines they're breeding.
Nothing wrong with outcrossing
Anyone who brags about breeding dogs as family pets, and nothing more.
Most dogs are pets.
by Keith Grossman on 03 July 2012 - 16:42
|Anyone who makes excuses or attempts to rationalize his/her breeding program.|
by zdog on 03 July 2012 - 16:45
|you can test your dogs without them having a "job"|
You can know the lines and the history of the lineage and still outcross to a known lineage and know what was produced in the past.
my dogs are pets first and foremost. They are my companions, but then a solid temperament coupled with drive and courage usually make awesome pets and familly dogs. That goes without saying, no need to advertise that
by HighDesertGSD on 03 July 2012 - 16:55
Does one who is very opinioned make a good breeder?
by BoCRon on 03 July 2012 - 17:12
|I've never really cared about contracts(we started out getting all imports which never had a contract). As long as the breeder has health/titling information available for me to see I don't need a contract. I feel I am making an informed decision buying a pup from hip/elbow certified dogs that also have SchH titles and are Kkl. If that is done, then no piece of paper will change the outcome, the breeder has done the work and I am making an informed choice. There is always a risk regardless. The last 3 dogs we got all had the necessary requirements for us in that vein. The breeder did offer a contract, which was fine, but wouldn't have changed my mind on the purchase. |
Those other breeders could offer me a contract all day long, but if they are breeding the stock I see on some of the sites it's basically worthless anyway.
When I have people contact me about purchasing a puppy (we do training here), regardless of the breed, I offer to help weed through their choices if they'd like. I at least like to point out obvious things to avoid. I always send them this article as I think it will help the novice buyer understand a bit better where to start looking. I'm not sure I agree with absolutely everything the author says, there may be some phrasing that will confuse novices, but overall I think it is a great start.
by Gustav on 03 July 2012 - 19:20
|Don't believe in contracts or guarantees, prefer to operate similar to the way Europe does. Don't know what that makes me ....lol|
by Hundmutter on 03 July 2012 - 19:43
That "ruffly speaking" site is a little gem, thank you so much for calling attention to it. I don't think the phrasing is too
confusing; I can think of a number of people who ought to have read this before they started looking for a pup, not
just on which breeders to avoid but for the general advice it contains along the way.
by WillowValleyGSD on 03 July 2012 - 20:17
|I have removed my post, in effort to be as respectful as posible. Instead of sitting here and bashing others for lack of sharing the same opinion, I choose to put my time and effort into my dogs. For those that come across the misinformation posted, I'm happy to share documents I have in hand. For those that don't like what I have, it makes no difference. I'm happy to remove all info. that I may have posted and people can refer to me with any interest in updates or current information.|
by Mel62368 on 03 July 2012 - 21:02
|As I bite my tounge... All I will say is buyer beware very Aware... Willowvalley, glad to see you do not allow breeding of your pups, they look to be of "pet" quality at best... Now maybe you should take your own advise and not breed dog that are subpar.|
by Mel62368 on 03 July 2012 - 21:38
|Hmmm I have just had it with the fraudulent misrepresentation of information on pedigrees posted on this site.....|
Please note this dog http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=651840
is listed as OFA Good NOT TRUE
Willowvalley, any and all other false information listed should be removed.. There is a reason the OFA will not certify hips at 6-8 months old, a prelim is not OFA certification and should not be listed as such.... Sure does make you look BAD, trying to make your dogs out to be something they are not.