German Shepherd Dog > Exclusion from breeding: dogs with proven "serious hip dysplasia" (6 replies)
Exclusion from breeding: dogs with proven "serious hip dysplasia"
by Margherita C on 18 June 2012 - 20:23
Hi from Italy. I am writing my graduation thesis about Hip Dysplasia in dogs, especially GS.
According to GSD Breed FCI Standard no. 166 23.12.2010 EXCLUSION FROM BREEDING ARE DOGS WITH PROVEN "SERIOUS HD" I am searching:
- How are the rules in Germany and which are used parameters/formula to consider serious or not a hyp dysplasia. Where can I find/read them? Are breeders well informed about these rules? Do you think are they right or wrong?
- Are there any laws on breeding in Germany or all rules are established by WUSV or FCI?
- I haven't found anything about hip dysplasia on their web-site.
Can someone help me please?
Many many thanks grazie
by Rasenhof on 18 June 2012 - 23:36
|Hi, I am from the US where the OFA certification is Excellent, Good and Fair. "Good" breeders will only use dogs that are OFA. Since we are a Free Country, breeders can breed any dog to any dog, mixed, purebred, or AKC as they wish. AKC registers all breeds that they recognize. Buyers should take note of OFA results on Pedigrees and they can check the OFA website. Since before 1980, I have made sure that any bitch I bred had OFA hips, and then elbows, Yes i have found homes for dogs with mild dysplasia and put down serious dysplasia. Sigh. Since the middle of the 1970s, Germany has an "a" stamp that must be on a dogs pedigree before they are allowed to breed (for a registered dog) The ZV is a German Shepherd Dog registry only. The dogs are xrayed at one year of age. a1 is best, normal, a2 is "fast norma", and a3 is mild hip dysplasia. In 1976, most German Shepherds had HD so allowing mild HD for breeding was reasonable. Dogs with a 'b' have worse HD and do not pass for breeding. If you look at the German Stud books, all parents of all litters born after about 1976 have 'a' stamps. I have German Stud books from 1930s through 1989 and all parents of all litters have a stamps after 1976. Now Germany tests for elbow dysplasia and ed information is given on their pedigrees also. Since elbow xrays in Germany were well after 1989, I don't know how they are presented in their Stud books, or as someone told me, on their CDs for computors. You can buy German pedigree CDs I think. I hope this helps you. Alice |
by SitasMom on 19 June 2012 - 03:35
(a)2 almost normal
(a)3 still breedable
sv grades compaired to ofa grades........
(a)1 is the same as excellent, good and half of fair
(a)2 is the same as the rest of fair and borderline
(a)3 is a mild dysplacia
every country sees to have its own grading scheme...
every country has a kennel club. every country has registered and unregistered dogs. every country has puppy mills. every country has excellent breeders.
kennel clubs from some countries require certian breeds to "proove" they are worthing of breeding with working and show titles. kennel clubs from some countries don't have requirements.
by djc on 19 June 2012 - 04:05
|The SV - DSH/GSD in Germany is in fully in charge of the German Shepherd dog in that country. Here is their website: http://www.schaeferhund.de/site/index.php?id=10&L=0|
In Germany a dog can not register a litter, nor show in conformation after 24 months if they are not titled in Schutzhund/IPO and have their hips and elbows scored. So in essence, there is no breeding of a DSH that has any level of hip or elbow dysplasia. They MUST pass to have a litter. The SV has veterinarians that are certified to do their xrays and they have a staff who does the grading. I'm sure if you search their site your will find all of the specifics.
Far Far better than the AKC who does not care if they are health checked or breed worthy in order to register a litter.
by Hundmutter on 19 June 2012 - 09:26
|Ok here's the basics from the United Kingdom:|
In the UK we have a Kennel Club & British Veterinary Association scheme, which has been in existence for a long time.
Not sure how many years exactly without going off to look it up, but in its present format some 30 years at least.
All dogs submitted to the scheme are Xrayed and the plates sent to the KC/BVA panel of assessors;
they look at them and measure the various angles, and grade them by numbers. Up to a max total of 53 each hip.
So a low score is better than a high score; an even bilateral score is better than one which isn't. So a very good dog
might be graded : 1 (left hip): 1 (right hip) = (total:) 2
A poor dog might be graded: 29:31 = 60.
Most dogs recorded are across a range either side of the breed 'mean' which currently stands at around 17 points.
Sorry if less than precise info, I don't keep it all in my head.
Not all dogs get Xray'd; not all X rays get submitted (There is some tendency for Vets to say "Don't bother"
when the plates don't look good ! This of course distorts and downgrades the information collected as a whole.)
Personally I still think its worth doing and that the numbering system gives a clearer idea of the hip status than the SV or OFA systems. Some people in the UK are now more in favour of the Penn Hip method, which while still unusual here, appears to be gaining ground.
Much more info available if u Google - UK Kennel Club; GSD League of UK websites, for e.g.
The League is one of our two WUSV clubs. [The other is British Association for GSD].
Many serious breeders/exhibitors here would not breed with dogs which scored above the breed mean, or hadn't got a German "A" stamp; (more specifics about score levels in various Clubs' 'Codes Of Ethics' etc are available)
BUT current UK Kennel Club regulations and guidance only suggest that the hips be tested; NOT that there should be any restrictions on registering litters of puppies (or individual adult dogs in certain circumstances) WHERE THE (PARENTAL) HIP SCORE IS (UNACCEPTABLY) HIGH - so some other breeders just don't bother. Why pay out to do tests that are not compulsary ? Especially applies to people just breeding for the pet market. They are not interested in the long term future of the whole breed.
by Margherita C on 19 June 2012 - 11:21
I THANK YOU ALL FOR REPLIES SO MUCH! YOU ARE GREAT!!
by Margherita C on 20 June 2012 - 18:26
|Hallo, here again.|
Debby, on the site www.schawfwehund.de I cannot find any statistic datas on HD. Shall I pay to get these info?
I cannot find even in that web site the rules of breeding that imposes to the breeder owner to make x-ray to to his dog before the reproduction, as you wrote to me. Can you show me where did you read it?
Last question to the breeders: When you sell a dog, do you use some kind of national sales contract or something else, imposed by the breeding club? What do you give to the purchaser as warranty on HD?
grazie mille :)