German Shepherd Dog > Is this Von Willebrands, allergic reaction, or auto immune? have you ever seen this? (42 replies)
by Bhaugh on 24 June 2012 - 18:36
|What state are you in? valley Fever? Did the pred do anything to lesson the spots? I personally would NOT treat with antibiotics unless you knew for sure what you were dealing with. Mange?|
Fawndallas: Although I agree that pred is a not so good med as it suppresses the immune system and I only use it as an absolute last choice, Im not sure I agree with your statement about the kidneys. If someone has to put the dog on a long term med such as this I would be asking two questions. 1. Why and 2. Is the dog terminal without it (less adrenal disease)
I have a dog on pred now for a tumor on his face that if I were to remove would be far worse than the pred because of where its located. He is 7 so I will give the maintenance dose and keep the tumor small enough to keep the pain at bay.
by Abby Normal on 24 June 2012 - 19:43
|Poor poor dog, that looks most unpleasant. Hope you get it resolved soon. I too don't agree about the statement about kidneys and prednisolone. I had a dog on a low dose of pred long term, and she never had any kidney problems. So far as I can see, this is not mentioned as an adverse/long term problem with it. There are many others, but kidney failure doesn't seem to be one of them. It is a drug that you have to be very careful with, but it has it's place.|
by Maureen on 25 June 2012 - 12:55
Update on Lucy. Her skin over her entire body is a shade of pink or red, and more solid in color now, rather than splotchy like the picture above. Her head and ears swelled up a bit and are now one of the main areas affected. Her ears are deep red, as is the skin on her head. It is causing her discomfort, and she stopped eating yesterday morning. She is acting similiar to how she did when this all started, but not quite as agitated. This is an inflamatory issue, but we cannot determine the cause.
by hexe on 25 June 2012 - 13:47
|Maureen, I know you already indicated that there hasn't been any change in her food or environment, but--of everything she eats or has contact with, was any of it a new bag/box/carton/bottle that was just opened prior to Lucy developing these clinical signs? There's always the possibility that a particular batch of any product may be tainted in some way, or there was a subtle change in formula that the manufacturer wasn't required to indicate, which Lucy is sensitive to although the other dogs are not...|
Next question: had Lucy been swimming in any natural water source (pond/lake/etc.) before she developed these issues? With the recent high temperatures in the US, there's been an increase in algae bloom in ponds, lakes, reservoirs, etc., and some species of algae can cause severe illness in dogs, including skin involvement (secondary bacterial infections can become established as well).
If you don't start seeing marked improvement soon, you may want to consider having Lucy admitted to the vet's to see if a change in environment has any beneficial effect--if the cause of her condition DOES happen to be something she's being exposed to in her home environment, removal from that environment may help you and your vet narrow down exactly what the culprit is.
I can only begin to imagine how frightening this has to be for you, the not knowing what's at the root of this odd condition, let alone how long she's going to be affected and what can be done to relieve her discomfort...hoping an effective treatment is identified, as well as the source of the problems, soon!
by starrchar on 25 June 2012 - 14:52
I'm so sorry to read that Lucy is not improving. Maybe it is not the right antibiotic? There are a number of different kinds of anitbiotocs to treat various kinds of bacteria. This has got to be so scary and upsetting, not to mention your poor girl must be terribly uncomfortable. I really feel for you and I hope that a diagnosis will be made soon and/or the vet will be able find something that will help clear this up.
by Maureen on 25 June 2012 - 16:24
|Some additional info about Lucy.|
There are no lesions on her skin, or bumps. Her skin is just pink, red, or purple depending on how bad the inflammation is at a given time.
And, her skin is hot to the touch. (we have been giving her ice cold rinses, seems to help with the heat)
And, now we are seeing some swelling.
She does not have a fever.
Her skin is hot to the touch, especially when the color is darker. Her head and ears were not impacted until about 5 days in. Her ears and forehead looked swollen when the color is a darker red. It is really bothering her with the ears.
She is not itching or licking at her skin at all.
Rather the inflamation seems to cause her pain. Most likely from the heat the inflamed skin is putting off, and some swelling. We did not notice any swelling until it went up to her head and ears. Now we can see some swelling on her belly too.
Please note, the rest of her body is still some shade of pink, red or purple. it is just that some areas seem to react more as the inflamation moves around on her body.
Her head and ears were not affected until about 5 days into this.
Good advice on moving her to a different environment, will keep that as a next option.
She has no access to any open water source like a stream or lake, etc.
We are in Maryland.
We are on well water, with a whole house filter.
The other 3 dogs are all in good health.
Thanks everyone for your input.
by Rass on 25 June 2012 - 17:16
|The clear blood panels are the thing that makes this so damning. |
My first thought looking at the original picture was impetigo.. but that is usually young dogs and there are usually bumps. The other thought is cellulitis. Both these should have shown something in the blood work.
by Sherman-RanchGSD on 25 June 2012 - 22:03
|Yes, the unknown, less commonly suspeected viral or bacterial infection.. I am glad to hear your vet is open to such possibilities. Look how many people were misdiagnosed with things like MSRA and West Nile virus, etc before more accurate clinical tests were demanded...|
And I would not rule out contamination or infection from food sources either..regardless of how the other dogs..
by Sherman-RanchGSD on 25 June 2012 - 22:12
OOPS regardless of how other dogs are. Like 1 kid gets the chicken pox..they dont all always get at same time..etc.
by DebiSue on 28 June 2012 - 03:13
|Thought I would give you an update on my girl Echo and her spots...they are clearing up with the medicine we've been using, (EnteDerm) once a day since Saturday. You might want to try it just in case it is a fungus of some sort. Echo is almost completely clear.|
by hexe on 28 June 2012 - 05:11
|Maureen, some reference material for you and your vet to consider:|
by ziegenfarm on 28 June 2012 - 05:21
|i keep checking back to see if there is any news on this poor dog's skin condition.|
hope the dog is getting better. let us know if you learn anything.
by hexe on 29 June 2012 - 02:07
by hexe on 29 June 2012 - 18:32
Can't get this bizarre case out of my head...
by Pharaoh on 29 June 2012 - 23:56
How is your dog doing.
I too, keep thinking about her.
by Bhaugh on 30 June 2012 - 02:31
|This may sound odd but have considered an endoscopy? The reason I say this is I had a dog with really bad skin problems. All tests came back clear. HOWEVEr after he passed, I requested an autopsy and it was determined that it was the small intestine. The vet told me had I done this (like who knew) I would have been able to see how bad the intestine was and tried to treat it.|
by hexe on 01 July 2012 - 05:10
by fawndallas on 12 July 2012 - 17:50
by hexe on 14 July 2012 - 05:51
Maureen, how's your girl doing? Hopefully, no news is good news....
by hexe on 14 July 2012 - 15:17