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by maywood on 17 June 2012 - 19:56 |
In my experience, yes Working line shepherds cannot handle the rigors of a simple daily jog that lasts 45-60 minutes daily. Not saying there aren't any that can't do it. But for the most part this is a true assessment. Jogging along in front of me is no small thing. The pavement will wear a dog down quickly if they are not built properly to handle it. Most showlines have big deep chests, with bigger lungs to pull air into the body which improves their ability to last longer periods of time in a trot. They also tend to have thicker bones usually so they can handle the rigors of running on pavement. This allows them to perform better than their working line counterparts in this activity. |
maywood by macrowe1 on 17 June 2012 - 20:03 |
| Yes fasteddiely I loved the angulation pic, which made me think of the really angulated SLs who look like they're taking a dump all the time haha. Really though wait until he's more like 14-16 months and practice stacking between now and then (I'm no expert at it, but it is hard to critique without it). By this time, he'll be evened out and not growth spurting. He's got great color. And as far as the SL/WL thing goes, I have one of both, and love them for different reasons. But to say a WL can't jog for an hour alongside a person is ridiculous. I've seen many who outshine my SL. And to say they can't do well in conformation is stupid, too. But by far the dumbest thing I've read is that WL are just for obedience. That's just hilarious. |
macrowe1 by LukasGS on 17 June 2012 - 20:16 |
| LOL. Isn't that what the AD is for. ;) Jeeze, what a bunch of Balogna. |
LukasGS by maywood on 17 June 2012 - 20:20 |
| macrowe1 you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. If you can get off the couch and take your working line jogging every day next week I would be curious to hear your feedback. But do be careful as it is very possible you will end up with a maimed animal. I, on the other hand, am speaking with over 30 years of experience in jogging with dogs. It definitely isn't a trivial thing. The AD is a one time test not a daily activity. Getting back to the OP, I hope you have found this information helpful and it gives you a better idea of what conformation is and why it is so important to the breed. Too many working line folks just don’t take it serious enough and it is my hope that by sharing my findings it will help you in your own personal discovery of the breed. |
by LukasGS on 17 June 2012 - 20:24 |
| Do you really think that if their endurance wasn't built up properly they would be able to do the AD? |
by maywood on 17 June 2012 - 20:29 |
| The AD isn't really that hard my friend. |
by Felloffher on 17 June 2012 - 20:35 |
| Maywood, How many working dog's have you run with in 30 years? |
Felloffher by maywood on 17 June 2012 - 21:11 |
| Not intending to hijack this thread or nothing but I guess I’m just in the mood to share today. I’ve posted this before but it has been awhile since then so I suppose I will post it again. I initially started with working line shepherds because I naively thought they would be better working dogs. This is a common mistake most people make when they first come into the breed. I did this for years using just working line dogs for my daily exercise program. I found out quickly that they couldn’t handle it on a daily basis so I ended up getting a few more dogs so I could alternate the days I used them. This worked out ok for a very long time. It wasn’t until I got my first showline that I made this discovery. Instead of having to have 4-5 dogs for my purposes I only needed one. This is why I have no problem paying four times as much for the show line dog. They are truly amazing animals for this common activity that everyone can do with their dogs. It kills me when uninformed people ridicule them or take them for granted as if they are only trotting around a ring for an hour. There is some serious working ability going on in that ring and it should not be taken lightly. Don’t get me wrong. As I have said before, I do respect the working line dogs and what they can do in the sport of Schutzhund, Police work, etc. I even have one in my own kennel as she is the oldest of my dogs. But for my daily purposes, my own experience has shown me the show line shepherds are the best trotters on the planet bar none. No other breed of dog even comes close. |
by duke1965 on 17 June 2012 - 21:28 |
maywood, you just made von stephanitz a proud man run forrest run |
by maywood on 17 June 2012 - 21:48 |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJeX0Jk3__8&feature=youtu.be |
by EuroShepherd on 17 June 2012 - 21:57 |
Maywood, you really believe that the showline German Shepherd is the only kind of canine capable of working for hours on end, every day? Please show us some examples of your kind of ideal showline GSD. |
EuroShepherd by SKI on 17 June 2012 - 22:57 |
| So, normally we defer to showine handlers to work on stacking and working on ring training. The sire is a true V rated working line and is very agile and fast at 10 years of age. I will take a video of him with one of his daughters (from other litter), tearing around the property.. This is after 7 World Championships . No issue with constant movement.Puppy is at the gangly, growth spurt stage. No issue. Good feedback on what to look for and how to stack. |
by macrowe1 on 17 June 2012 - 23:09 |
| Bahahaha I like how you try to take cheap shots and think that jogging with a WL shepherd will end with a maimed animal. I'm sorry, but I do run with my dogs, and bike with my dogs, and work my dogs, and none are maimed in any way. Ha, that just made my day. Obviously in your 30 years of experience of jogging with dogs, and thinking that the AD is a bunch of BS, which I'm sure it's because a WL can do it, that you've figured out that SL are the best dogs ever, have no genetic problems, all because they can jog! Congratulations you've figured out the puzzle! Everyone stop breeding WL dogs now! |
by macrowe1 on 17 June 2012 - 23:13 |
| Apparently we just need to stop any kind of exercise except jogging with our dogs for an hour a day! You must be extremely fit! I hate to tell you that having a dog just to exercise is just sad in my eyes. Get a Vizsla, he'll run with you! And I guarentee that they have twice the stamina that any SL you have does! |
by Siantha on 17 June 2012 - 23:14 |
| my female working line can trot run for hrs i use to run her every day on the 4 wheeler once she turned a year old slowly increaseing in distance this was in 80 degree weather and up and half the time she was passing me. she trots well at about 13 mph same as the show lines that i worked with a nice ground covering gate. but i have gone to seiger shows and seen showlines topple over from troting in a circle or them haveing to pull dogs you must have had a alien for a show line dog. this same female is in training for SAR and she can track a mile at a fast pace w/o getting super winded she can keep going. can your showline do that ? |
Siantha by macrowe1 on 17 June 2012 - 23:15 |
Apparently you're totally wrong Siantha, there's no way that your WL can do that! They're just for obedience and have no endurance! |
by Siantha on 17 June 2012 - 23:17 |
 o wait and look shes even faulty in coloring dosent change shes a damn good dog. and trace is still stunning i hope hes turning out like u hoped for him to i still relly like him hah its kinda cool to have seen him as a pup and now at 5 months |
by fasteddielv on 18 June 2012 - 00:01 |
| Well Maywood, you sure do know how to rile up the natives, LOL! Your experience and perception is out of the norm, shall we say. Euroshepherd, thanks for you input, I somehow over looked your post, maybe due to the thread being over run with BS, LOL. |
fasteddielv by VIANDEN on 18 June 2012 - 00:16 |
Thanks Siantha...You should see him now in the protection work he would put alot of adult dogs to shame. |
VIANDEN
by gagsd4 on 18 June 2012 - 01:08 |
| Eddie, my dog was gorgeous at 8,10, and 12 weeks.... Goofy looking puppy at 4-5or6 months. I think he grew up just fine:) You have a very handsome puppy out of some nice looking parents. Give him a few months, get help stacking and then take new pictures. I still envy you an Enzo puppy;) Mary |
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