German Shepherd Dog > What is considered reasonable (58 replies)
What is considered reasonable
by Hedi on 12 June 2012 - 12:49
|What does anyone think such a dog should go for? http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=687156 ? no titles, and HD/ED normal.|
by GSDguy08 on 12 June 2012 - 13:11
|Any training done?|
by Hedi on 12 June 2012 - 13:25
|Indicates articles on track. Ob, has behaviors for a bh...retrieve started. Bites full, controlled in the work not hectic.|
by Nans gsd on 12 June 2012 - 15:04
|Any health checks or clearances except HD/ED?|
by Hedi on 12 June 2012 - 15:11
by Nans gsd on 12 June 2012 - 15:22
|Well nice pedigree BUT no health checks? Why? Do you have to ship her? If you do have to ship I would not go over $1200.00 as without health checks you would need to do all of that and what if she tests as a carrier for DM or is affected with DM? Then what? You are stuck, right?|
Where is she coming from, so her conformation is OK, good pedigree and no health checks. Hmmmmmmmmmm. NO.
by joanro on 12 June 2012 - 17:26
|She is two years old and sounds like most of training done. Why isn't she titled, at least with BH? Are you looking at her for prospective brood bitch or competition or companion? Those different goals would definitely have bearing on price.|
by Hedi on 12 June 2012 - 17:33
|For me, it would be for the sport aspect. For someone else maybe a breeding goal.|
by Ramage on 12 June 2012 - 22:10
|I think she looks nice, but I would want to see videos. Price would depend on what I see in the videos.|
by GSDPACK on 12 June 2012 - 23:26
|Fist of all people this dog is worth MUCH MORE than 1200 bucks, breeders sell puppies for more than that, get real!|
Buyer can get health checks done with the commitment of purchase if they come back all to the liking of the seller! It is all about communication, people want to sell their dogs.
If this is import you should fit into $4500-5000 depending on the foundation put on a dog and that is with shipping.
Make sure you like what you see in the videos provided and no cut short fancy things, have them show the dog. If you are not impessed, move on.
Realisticaly, raise your own dogs, put a foundation/title on them, feed them, x-ray them and then see how you would like somebody giving you $1200 for your female!
by destiny4u on 12 June 2012 - 23:36
|3500 including shipping JMHO you should see videos at least in protection and ob|
by joanro on 13 June 2012 - 12:01
|Gsdpack, your absolutely correct! People blurting out ridiculous price like 1200 is an insult!! Let's see how much value they put on their dog after all that time and work!!!|
by Hedi on 13 June 2012 - 13:25
|Okay thank you for all of the insight. I would agree $1,200 is insulting for a dog that has more than basic sit, down, etc. I would be embarrased to offer that amount to any working dog person for a well bred dog with training; with or without titles.|
by Jenni78 on 13 June 2012 - 14:16
|LOL. I've gotten offers like that on dogs and I just have to laugh. They always seem to be from people who want to breed them, too. Um, ok...you want a "foundation" female of excellent quality for how much?! Add a zero and get back to me. The justifications for the offers are equally hilarious. "Can't see the dog in person" (ok, so come to my house...), "Too much training- prefer green" (ok, well buy a puppy then)...and the list goes on. The people who don't see the value in the dog likely wouldn't be able to handle her anyway, or at least that's been my experience. They are inexperienced. Don't take it personally, Hedi if you get some silly offers. |
As far as health checks, does this dog not have the "normal" requisite health checks done for a dog of her age and breeding? So what if she carries DM? Breed her to a non-carrier. I've asked repeatedly for pedigrees on DM dogs and no one seems to want to cough them up. I think it would be really helpful but I think it would show a trend that no one wants to admit to, so I think that idea will likely never get anywhere. If the German working line dogs had all these DM problems, then I'll bet they would test. You have to show someone a reason before you're going to get this widespread testing. How many imports are DM tested? Mine certainly haven't been. You can't expect people to do all these tests for problems that they have never seen and call them irresponsible for it. I disagree with trying to make Hedi feel guilty for not having her German import DM tested to sell her. When it's mainstream, then get on her case for not doing it. As of now, her dog has all it customarily "should" be tested for at her age and customary for her lineage.
Hedi, I would say don't take less than $3000, and see if you can get closer to $4000. You may have to include shipping if you go higher. I truly don't think anyone should be able to buy a dog with that time and effort, xrayed, with excellent bloodlines, for less than $1500 more than someone can buy a puppy for. The only time I have sold them for less at that age and quality was to a wonderful, local home where I would have continued involvement with them and the opportunity for future breedings.
by Nans gsd on 13 June 2012 - 21:48
Sorry Hedi: I thought you were the one buying. Just trying to get you a good or reasonable deal. Yes a 2 year old bitch; HD/ED normal; raised and fed and taken good care of by you, I would pay $4,000. Yep to me that would be a fair price. Would of course prefer at least cardio and DM clearnaces for her future but new owners could do that. BOL in selling her. Nan
by SitasMom on 14 June 2012 - 04:12
|Nice looking dog, could go V....|
by Avery Hill Kennels on 14 June 2012 - 05:08
|DM test are very cheap and easy and should be customary at this point, import or not|
Mine are ...Just saying
by Jenni78 on 14 June 2012 - 12:53
|I think it will be interesting, several years down the road, to find out how accurate these DM tests are anyway. I am just sick to death of it being brought up as a negative on every single dog posted who isn't tested. A few years ago, hardly anyone had heard of it. Now, it's all the rage. So many misdiagnosed dogs, so much overdiagnosis, so much paranoia, so many discrepancies in test results and actual status. To penalize a young import for not being tested is just asinine. When in Rome...|
How much of a DM problem is there in Europe?
Sorry, Hedi, to derail. This makes me CRAZY when people put American "standards" on import dogs and penalize them and their owners (you) for not doing something that simply isn't done there (yet)! If you want a DM test and you want to buy the dog, I'm sure Hedi would have it tested for you. Problem solved. $1200 bucks because the dog isn't tested for something that is not customarily tested for in its country of origin is downright insulting. Sorry, Nan. I know this is a big thing to you, but that's not logical reasoning to impose YOUR AMERICAN standards onto that dog and basically say she's worthless.
by kitkat3478 on 14 June 2012 - 15:30
|I agree that 3500 -4500 would be very reasonable for that dog,IF that is the line you are Interested in.Especially if you are looking for a serious competion dog. I like to see lots of Sch 2 And Sch 3's in the pedigree. You know pretty much that there is good work ethics behind the dog And that someone didn't just go for the minimum for breeding.VERY NICE DOG !|
by Nans gsd on 14 June 2012 - 16:14
|Well Jen take it however you want; it is not for me, it is for the breed. DM is everywhere, not just the US. And I hope breeders understand that it is now very reasonable and reliable and is just a cheek swab or I believe can be a blood draw for some tests. Great days Nan|