German Shepherd Dog > Title and Honor questions (13 replies)
Title and Honor questions
by fawndallas on 08 June 2012 - 15:34
|I have some detail questions about the following titles (thinking about the fun to have with Max and maybe get these on Athenia.|
1. Which of these titles require that the dog is registered (if any)?
2. Will the general information I get off the internet be accurate on what these exactly are and what it takes to get them?
3. I only go to Dallas once a month, so the rest of the training will be up to me:
Any recommended clubs in the Dallas Tx area to get some good mentors and training support for these?
Any club pit falls I should look for?
4. In your opinion, what order should I look at getting these in?
CDX- Intermediate AKC Obedience title (is there a beginning level?)
RN- Rally Novice (obedience)
TC- GSDCA temperament test
CGC- Canine Good Citizen
by aceofspades on 08 June 2012 - 15:51
|I could be wrong but I don't think any require registration. The AKC has a division in the obedience that you can enter unregistered dogs. I don't think you compete against registered dogs though. And e other three are open to all breeds registered or not and mixed breeds.|
by aceofspades on 08 June 2012 - 15:55
|Also thought even though this doesn't directly Pertain to this topic that you may be interested. A girl who lives local to me just left to pick up and train with her new guide dog and her new dog is actually a mixed breed. He is a golden retriever X golden Labrador. I thought of you when she said that. Although Rose is All German Shepherd she is not registered and clearly this new guide dog is also not registered as he is a mix breed.|
by fawndallas on 08 June 2012 - 16:47
That is a good mix dog for guide dogs. Goldens are a natural for that. (beautiful dogs, but I still prefer GSDs )
I am ok with not competing with registered; that is the price I pay and accept with my group. Still, the fun and challenge is what I am after. To me it is more of a "can I do it and am I finally good enough of a trainer" to get a good dog there.
(time to put my money where my mouth is )
by CrashKerry on 08 June 2012 - 16:56
|Both for the CDX (which comes after the CD) and RN your dog needs to be AKC registered. You can register a mixed breed with AKC now, but not all clubs allow mixed breed entries. If you have a purebred with no papers you can get a PAL number through AKC and compete at performance event as though it was a papered purebred. The CGC is open to all dogs, AKC registered or not. The rules for all AKC titles are available on the AKC website.|
by 4 mals2sheps on 08 June 2012 - 17:06
Yes ,you do need a ILP no# to compete in AKC events real easy to get .Go to AKC site copy there
registration form for ILP send in with Picture and they will give you a No# last I knew you do compete with
other reg. dogs. Did this years ago for my neice who rescued a Dobe and competed in AKC.
by fawndallas on 08 June 2012 - 17:21
|Thanks.....Odd though, I thought AKC was stricted about its registery. |
Is there a clear distiction in the registery about "You can register a mixed breed with AKC now, but not all clubs allow mixed breed entries. If you have a purebred with no papers you can get a PAL number through AKC and compete at performance event as though it was a papered purebred. "?
I know what I have is unreg and the litter I had is technically considered BYB; I have given my justifications, right, wrong, or indifferent.....
I will equally fight for the rights of registered breeders though. You guys worked hard for your litters. In all fairness to you, there should be a distiction for you. Your dogs are rightly in a different class than mine. Yes, I would welcome the chance to put my puppies against the registered ones to see if they past mustard. As long as doing that does not down grade the registered elite. That is a distiction well earned and paid for.
Also, my puppies will be fixed..no questions on that. Does that make a difference on trying for these titles?
by Gusmanda on 08 June 2012 - 17:31
|I don't know if this happens in the AKC or only in FCI countries, but if you can register a dog and it will become then eligible for obtaining titles and competing. Here in Mexico you go to the kennel club office, they register the dog under the breed it most closely resembles, and you get the dog tatooed and microchipped that way. The paperwork will not show any parents, and it will require 5 generations to be able to have a pedigree, but at least this way you can get an official paper for each title your dog gets, and in case of any legal issues, you also have the paperwork to id the dog.|
by melba on 08 June 2012 - 18:24
|The last AKC obedience trial I entered, in March there were mix breed dogs competing with the purebreds. For a mix, you|
need an ILP from AKC and for a purebred with no papers you need a PAL #. To compete in any events, the dog must be
spayed/neutered except for CGC.
The title before CDX is the CD. I would go for Rally Novice title before attempting the CD, to get your feet wet, so to speak.
by fawndallas on 08 June 2012 - 18:27
What will I need to prove purebred (I am confident in the purebred, I just do not expect a stranger to take my word for it)?
by mollyandjack on 08 June 2012 - 18:31
|You are not trying to prove your dog is purebred - you are just getting a number so you can compete. It is my understanding that the purpose of the number is to keep track of the dog's accomplishments. Your dog is considered mixed breed by AKC because you do not have documentation saying otherwise. Edit: hmmm I didn't realize about the PAL numbers. What is the purpose of getting the PAL #?|
by mollyandjack on 08 June 2012 - 18:45
|Ok...now I get it. AKC has two programs, Canine Partners and PAL/ILP. Canine Partners is for mixed breeds that don't particularly look like any breed, and PAL is for purebreds that can't provide documentation of breed. It looks like all you will need is a photo for the PAL: http://www.akc.org/pdfs/ilpform.pdf|
PAL registered dogs can compete in these events:
"Agility Trials (All Breeds)
Earthdog Trials (Small Terriers and Dachshunds)
Herding Tests and Trials ( Herding Breeds, Rottweilers and Samoyeds)
Hunt Tests (Most Sporting Breeds and Standard Poodles)
Junior Showmanship (All Breeds)
Lure Coursing (Sighthounds)
Obedience Trials (All Breeds)
Rally Trials (All Breeds)
Tracking Tests (All Breeds)"
Canine Partner registered dogs can compete in these events:
"Dogs enrolled into the AKC Canine Partners program may participate in stand-alone,
sanctioned AKC Agility, Rally, and Obedience trials. A stand-alone AKC Companion Event is
an AKC Agility, Obedience or Rally event that is not held on the same date AND show site as
an AKC All-Breed dog show, Group Show or Independent Specialty (Conformation events).
Mixed-breed classes will be held separately from the regular purebred classes."
by Psycht on 08 June 2012 - 21:04
Fawndallas - you can probably get a PAL (formally known as ILP) on your puppies. This type of registration is for dogs that lack papers but are obviously purebred. You have to submit pictures and proof of spay/neuter on the dog and the AKC determines based on the pics if the dog is purebred or not.
by muttlover25 on 08 June 2012 - 21:58
|We own 7 dogs and 4 have their ILP or PAL numbers. Its a easy process you need good photos of the dogs head and a stack shot then fill out their forms, found on AKC.org and send them in with proof of Spay/neuter. We own 1 mixed breed and most of the trials around our area are now accepting them too, more money for the club! I personally recommend doing Rally Novice first, then Rally Advanced/Excellent and then onto CD you would enter all the A classes this way you will be competing against not as many people. B classes are form owners that have previously titled a dog in CD. You can look on AKC.org under Rally and they have detailed signs with their descriptions. Most of the training can be done at home if you know what your doing!|
have fun!! We love showing in AKC.