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Belgian blood insertion...or we have good health dogs to use instead? by José Tinoco on 07 June 2012 - 13:49 |
| It seems too radical? But it may be a way. Since HDZ didnt help in a significant way, the breeders are lost, directed by Show results that dont help to reduce the displasia ( in a significant way). A breeder when sell a puppy is like if it is selling an old car to a friend, cant even think about what will happen in the next days, it can stop to work at any time, the engine is about to blow... Well, we could use the exemple the comes from the Quarter Horse Association! They permit to use the troghtbreed horse in order to help to reach the goals of run faster! We should permit the Belgians to breed in certain conditions, creating health hips at least, since good temperament can be inserted by the use of the working line. I KNOW I CAME TOO FAR THIS TIME, BUT IT MAY BE A WAY! I WOULD DO!!!!! |
by joanro on 07 June 2012 - 14:16 |
| Looks like you're re-inventing the wheel. The quarter horse with all the thoroughbred infusion is not the QH any more...that's why there is the Foundation Quarter Horse Registry...for those who want the real Quarter horse. |
by José Tinoco on 07 June 2012 - 14:31 |
| The infusion of the Troughbreed aded more value to the breed, since it made faster horses in the short distance than both breeds. I am buying those horses, like everybody is. If you want to see what is happenig www.stallionesearch.com . In the German Shepherd, the true is that it is a working dog and must be healthy! Some will resist, most people. But I just think there must be a way. We got to find dogs that really produce good puppies, and the puppies must be health! I am sure there may be lines inside the German Shepherd that can do the job, but those are regected because the dont correspond to the model the breeders adopted. The interpretation of the standard is taking the wrong way |
by momosgarage on 07 June 2012 - 15:55 |
| I've been wondering about this too, but not specifically using Belgian blood. There's actually a fairly recent Nantional Geographic article that claims GSD's have more in common gentically with Mastiff's than they do with Beligans and other herding dogs. I do think mixing in a non-GSD sire or dam here and there in a pedigree could help build up the overhealth of the breed, but there would have to be a very detailed policy from the AKC etc on EXACTLY how it should be done and what the disqualifers would be. I believe the UKC has a policy for registering an unregistered GSD through some kind of evaluation, perhaps this is a way to get your plan to work, but it would take a couple of breedings and some very careful steps sneaking in "another breed" along the way. On a side note my gut says that beaucerons/briards are closer to GSD's than Malinois, Tervuren or Belgian Sheepdogs are. Whenever I run into any Belgian's thier behavior looks to me more like a "Collie" than a GSD. |
by José Tinoco on 07 June 2012 - 16:11 |
| The problem is that the Beauceron does not have the good hips the Belgian does. Besides, the malinois got a good working hability. |
by momosgarage on 07 June 2012 - 16:29 |
| That's why I mentioned the article. I'm not claiming it as fact, but if its accurate, the GSD is a LOT more mastiff than herding dog. I will post something later from the article when I get around to scanning it, but in short, something like a Lab has more herding dog/Malinois type genes in it than a GSD does and a GSD has more Cane Corso type genes in it than it Malinois types genes. Beauceron/Briard hips aren't that bad though, especially not typical Mastiff bad by any means. |
by Nans gsd on 07 June 2012 - 20:41 |
| Maybe possibly the Mali; but the Belguin sheepdogs/terv's have a load of health issues; temperament for one; major temp problems; cancer, seizures galore; so what will happen when we double and quadraple up on these problems; setting aside hips/elbows/DM/cardio,thyroid, EPI/SIBO/IBS/ and you all know the list goes on and on. SOrry but not the answer. The GSD needs to eliminate the affected dogs from their breeding programs entirely; and YES that does take some good dogs out of the equation; however, if they throw health problems then they might be someone's sweety pet but not for a large breeding such as Germany has. It's massive. Process of elimination is the only way and even then it could take years. Great days everyone, Nan |
by Chaz Reinhold on 08 June 2012 - 01:07 |
| If your car breaks down, you get new parts. No problem, but preserving a breed does not require creating a new breed. Stop buying $#!t. |
Chaz Reinhold by José Tinoco on 08 June 2012 - 01:45 |
| The biger problem is that we all know what to do! To take the didplasics out of the process and not use any dog that is not NORMAL. Avoid dogs with displasic sibligs... The fact is that nobody does what is supose to! If the dog is good for show it is used. If the female come from good line (VA) it is used. Today is even hard to find a dog without displasic sibligs! Besides a lot of displasics are not comunicated as displasics. NOW WE HAVE A PROBLEMATIC GENETIC MATERIAL. RE INVENT THAT WOULD NOT BE A BAD IDEA! |
by Chaz Reinhold on 08 June 2012 - 04:18 |
| So go hire an ad agency, make a commercial and get on with it. You're preaching to the choir. |
by Chaz Reinhold on 08 June 2012 - 04:20 |
| Frozen yogurt is healthier, but it isn't ice cream. Go buy a malinois. |
by duke1965 on 08 June 2012 - 06:53 |
| jose, it is all about breedingchoices, you can loose hipdysplasia for 99% without to much problems in few generations,but if the VA breeders refuse to use healthy stock , you think they will say yes to using a mali , who brings also alot of new healthproblems |
by José Tinoco on 10 June 2012 - 02:27 |
| Good Duck! I believe it is a matter of politics used by the SV! If the elected dogs (VA) are judged only by apearance and moviment, instead of consider health hips at their familys, it wont improve this point ( good hips). Yet, if the champions are those with better hips too, besides temperament. It will improve in a short period i think. A good dog must necessarily have a good genetic for hips! |
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