German Shepherd Dog > Protection questions (24 replies)
by guddu on 02 June 2012 - 02:02
|I visited a PSA type club...interestingly almost every dog had an electric collar. Is that normal these days.|
Secondly, what must one consider before training a dog in personal protection. What are the downsides ?.
by gagsd4 on 02 June 2012 - 02:55
|Ecollar- yes, that is normal. Protection training- totally dependent on trainer (and dog). --Mary|
by troublelinx on 02 June 2012 - 09:12
I see no downsides.
by Pirates Lair on 02 June 2012 - 09:53
|-Ecollar- yes, that is normal|
An E-collar is a valuable tool, if used correctly, fairly and consistently.
It should never be used to circumvent basic foundation work!
And it should never be used by an inexperienced handler/trainer.
Before training a dog in personal protection there are many things to consider; your lifestyle, children (yours if any, and their friends that may visit your home) liability etc.
There are a lot of downsides if you are not prepared and experienced.
Do your Research!!!
Find a Professional Trainer in your area to answer your questions.
by guddu on 02 June 2012 - 10:35
|So any recommendations for a personal protection trainer in the NJ area. Everybody says do your research, apart from googling the guy, what else can be done.|
by duke1965 on 02 June 2012 - 10:55
|do you already have a dog that is capable of becoming a personal protection dog , as 90% or more of todays breeding are sport breedings and lack ability to become PP dog|
by LSU mom on 02 June 2012 - 15:27
|I bought a PP dog from a police training facility. You best think long and hard to be sure it's what you want. You will need a secure place to keep him when your not home (at work ) to ensure he won't get out. If you work outside your home the dog will need to be on lockdown. Also, they want to be with there person ALL the time. They go crazy in the kennel outside, they pace and keep looking for you all day. If your busy in the yard, cutting grass, he will cry nonstop and make you feel guilty for not spending 24/7 with him. It really is a big responsibility.|
by LSU mom on 02 June 2012 - 15:33
|Worldwide Canine in Texas and USK9 Unlimited in Louisiana have great trained dogs. Both sell to police and the government. They have many PP dogs you can pick from to match your needs and personality. Good Luck|
by Much To Learn on 02 June 2012 - 16:38
Try giving John Soares a call. He covers that area 973-715-0212 You can "google" him and get his website for more information
by troublelinx on 02 June 2012 - 18:34
|The Working dog community is very small and political. Spend lots of time at the club before you get a dog watch the dog and decoy (bad guy) listen to people at the training site. Make sure they are fair to the dog, i.e. the dog is not biting because he is being hurt. Figure out the temperment you want in the dog. They are all very different.|
by guddu on 02 June 2012 - 22:02
| I have very minimal needs, a dog capable of biting in a family protection situation, perhaps a house break in, or a mugging/attack on family member. I have read on PDB that most likely an untrained dog will not protect...yet I dont need a full fledged personal protection dog per se. Is there a middle way ?|
I believe my dog is from good working lines.
by LSU mom on 03 June 2012 - 12:59
|A PP dog is not a sport dog. They are aloof and will come for a pet on occasion, when you stand they stand on your side, you walk they walk. If you leave the room without them they pace the room until you come back. Inside the car when you slow down to a stop the watch out the windows on all sides for carjackers. When a stranger walks up they stand on your left and watch the strange person till they exit the area. They are not aggressive to strange people but watchful, not at all friendly. They would suck at sport work, they are not social dogs. There training is much different than Schh ect., they are trained to bite on aggression towards you only. I don't think there is a half way trained dog in PP, sounds like you really want a good working line GSD who has natural protection instinct but not a true PP dog.|
by LSU mom on 03 June 2012 - 13:04
|Also, the dog will attack a family member to protect you. No family fights when the dog is around, they have only one person they protect. They like everyone in the family but will attack any of them if needed to protect you.This kind of dog is not a pet but a working dog.|
by duke1965 on 03 June 2012 - 14:19
|LSU mom , If any of my dogs would be like you discribe in all your posts I would shoot him|
guddu ,how old is your dog and what is its pedigree
by LSU mom on 03 June 2012 - 14:29
|Call your sheriff and police depts where you live, ask where they are buying the dogs from. Go to the provider and spend time with a few of the PP dogs they have for sale. Ask questions. They will aslo test your dogs ability for PP training. Most will train your dog if he passes the test for 2-3 thousand. Dogs they sell often don't have ped, they sell proformance not bloodline.|
by destiny4u on 03 June 2012 - 17:52
|lol lsu mom and others a good sport dog worth anything should have the ability to do pp also|
but yeah most can't these days they SHOULD be able to but they can't
LSU mom is too funny but pp dogs are not all the same, your dog sounds like it has seperation anxiety.
by guddu on 03 June 2012 - 18:13
The pedigree is here, thanks
by destiny4u on 03 June 2012 - 18:18
|your dog is nice but you have to get it tested by a godo trainer remember most trainers are scum bags and will take your cash and try to make you pay up front and then put too much defense on your dog training it in fear and ruin your dog, in the end you will end up with a dog that would have protected better with natural aggression without any training i bet|
Finding a good trainer is the best thing you can do and do not go aon a personal protection forum and ask them. Stick with german shepherd people or sport people and get good advice from them when it comes to finding a good trainer.
People who do sport do not seem to be greedy for money or try to scam you the way a pp trainer will, also many pp trainers will tell you your dog is crap and try to sell you a REALLY crappy dog and say it is a real protection dog. You shoudl hear the storys a local police trainer has told me. Just be really carefull. Always pay lesson by lesson never money up front NEVER SEND YOUR DOG AWAY TO GET TRAINED!! you handle your dog you train your dog.
by destiny4u on 03 June 2012 - 18:25
|guddu u wont be satisfied with a dog that just bites on command once u start pp u will want to keep going and going if ur dog is good at it, it turns into an addiction lots of time and work and money but lots of fun|
you change bite locations on the jacket and do leg bites you change locations, you change decoys you change scenarios with people hiding out in masks you change all sorts of things and work your dog in every possible nasty situation you can think of. You do hidden sleeve tests and muzzzle work. The whole time you do OB with your dog.
by LSU mom on 04 June 2012 - 07:35
|Wow, I own Ando Ethen, Pando Von Haus Frommer son and Akeemi from the best old Czech lines. The bloodline only gives a ability, years of training give skills. Argo was trained for three years to be what he is. It really is crazy how everyone thinks they are the best.....whatever. All police dogs come trained at about three years old and it's the same for PP dogs. They don't have a true handler till about 3. If a dogs trained under 12 months he will attack under fear most of the time, not good. At 18 months is when most start real protection work. Some just look at the bloodline, all they need, winner!|