German Shepherd Dog > Opinions on a pedigree (18 replies)
Opinions on a pedigree
by Bob McKown on 30 May 2012 - 18:51
For a female from this breeding.
by Hutchins on 30 May 2012 - 19:32
|I really like this pedigree being linebred on Mink, and throwing in alittle , Jago, Pike and Troll, I would say, SWEET!!!|
Should def have what it takes to work. I LIKE IT, ALOT!!
Good luck with this baby if that is what you get. PLEASE keep us updated on this little lady!
by Hedi on 01 June 2012 - 02:16
|Some nice dogs on the paper. Looks like they both have progeny out there. Maybe an ounce of concern regarding hips, but as you know that is even a risk when all the dogs up front are normal. Are the pups on the ground yet? If so, have you seen the litter yet?|
by ziegenfarm on 01 June 2012 - 06:06
|work, work, work. this entire pedigree shouts "working ability." we were talking about that just a few threads ago. i donot mean high scoring sport dog----i mean tough, hard, stable, but somewhat bullheaded kick your ass type working dog. you sure you're up to this, bob? ;) if you can't produce some very strong service dogs out of a bitch with this pedigree, i will want to know the reason why. =0|
by Gustav on 01 June 2012 - 11:14
|I agree with Ziegenfarm, maybe a tad too heavy on the hardness, and i would keep eye on hips, but obviously a strong set of genetics for toughness.|
by ziegenfarm on 01 June 2012 - 15:46
|i have a 10.5 yr old bitch with mink/fero thru sire and renza and borus thru dam's dam-----not so different from the pedigree you are suggesting. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=464383|
so i do speak with some knowledge on this type of breeding. she is one tough s.o.b. and i thank god for that because right now she is
fighting for her life. i know that, if things don't go well, i will have to put her down because there is no "give-up" in her make up.
good luck, bob.....just so you know what you are getting into before you leap.
p.s. i like it alot! :)
by brynjulf on 01 June 2012 - 16:04
On paper these would be hard, tough workers. My concerns would be the stubborn streak and elbows. Everyone seems to be concerned with the hips but elbows are a problem with some of the dogs in the pedigree. Nice nice pedigree !!! Too much dog for me :) but one never knows what they will get until they hit the ground :)
by OGBS on 01 June 2012 - 16:55
|Agree with most of what has been said so far.|
You should find great temperament, and, very smart, tough, hard, fearless working dogs with a lot of aggression. Aggression that can turn on in a millisecond. More aggression than what most people want.
I had two females similar to each side of this breeding at my house last year. One is my dog that I am training and competing with now and the other was a dog that I took in because her owner died.
The two of them playing with each other were like watching a hurricane in my backyard. I had to be 100% on top of them or it could get ugly really quick. The reason I point this out is because they are both dogs that are safe around other dogs if socialized properly, but, they need supervision and need to understand and respect the handler/owner as an alpha. (Bob, I know you are capable of this)
The one thing that I don't think you will find is a stubborn dog. This is because Bob is looking for a female. The females out of breedings like this, I have found, both with my own and others, have been very compliant and very willing to train and please. The type of dogs that live to do something for you if you have the proper bond with them. Don't mistake this for meaning that they are soft. They aren't and won't put up with much crap from the handler or the helper. Again, the aggression is very quick to turn on.
On the other hand, the males I have seen out of breedings like this, again great temperament, but, more of them than not, can be extremely stubborn and quite difficult to train. With the aggression that these dogs possess when it is turned on is bordering on unable to control, even with good trainers. They are dogs that will challenge the handler and if your helper/decoy isn't up to the task, forget it. Definitely not for beginners or someone that is concerned about getting bit. Having said all of that, I do know of one that has turned out incredibly well, all black, Sch3, V-rated in conformation if anyone is looking for a nice male with this type of bloodlines to breed to. He is in Ohio.
by ziegenfarm on 01 June 2012 - 17:10
|incorrect......stubbornness is definately an issue and so are elbows as brynjulf suggested. still, dogs with this type of breeding would make excellent service dogs, but only with the right handler. that would be my #1 concern. these dogs are not for everyone. any officer that thought he could browbeat such a dog, would spend more time fighting the dog than the bad guys|
by BlackthornGSD on 01 June 2012 - 17:54
|Having said all of that, I do know of one that has turned out incredibly well, all black, Sch3, V-rated in conformation if anyone is looking for a nice male with this type of bloodlines to breed to. He is in Ohio.|
What does the grandsire, Quax, bring to this breeding?
by OGBS on 01 June 2012 - 18:10
You do understand that I made a differentiation between females and males?
I agree with stubborness being an issue with the males, but, haven't seen it with the female I own, the one I took in, or others from same or similar litters I have trained with or come across. And, as I said, I am speaking of the knowledge of one dog similar to the sire's side and one dog similar to the dam's side, not a combination of both. That may not have been clear when I said "each side" in my above post.
P.S. I hope your girl pulls through! :)
I will PM you. I don't publicly put others info on here without asking first.
by Mel62368 on 01 June 2012 - 18:57
|The girl in my Avitar is a Troll grand daughter, she just turned 11 in March... Healthy as can be until last year when she slowed down, found out she has arthritis of the spine and in her elbows, she is a big girl with big bone at 98 lbs. Great drive, clear headed, Smart, only thing I would change is she has an extremley high pain tollerence, she never slowed down or showed any sign of pain until her spine was bone on bone. even now if it moves she will go after it, a lot slower than she used to but she will go.. I would love a female with that pedigree...|
by brynjulf on 01 June 2012 - 23:32
|I second Ziegenfarm. Stubborness in the females of this type of breeding is legendary :) but tough holey moley!|
by lhczth on 02 June 2012 - 13:39
There are some huge similarities in this breeding to my D litter and you have seen Deja work. Very strong willed (I hate the word stubborn), but also wants to comply as long as I find a way to show her what I want that doesn't invoke a fight. Athletic, high fight in protection, but very clear, extremely dominant especially in her own pack, aloof (basically indifferent), high hunt drive, not the best sport tracker. I like this breeding. Could be an interesting cross with Axel or the lines you currently have. Along with what others have said, depending on how you breed her you will also need to watch for missing teeth coming down through T little Körbelbach.
by Nadeem6 on 02 June 2012 - 17:29
|Very nice website Ihczth. I was impressed with the videos of "Vala." |
She looked very intense in the B and H and a nice escape bite. I like seeing the fight to bring the helper down. She looks to be a great female.
by darylehret on 03 June 2012 - 00:19
|I actually have seen a couple dogs from a nearly identical breeding on many occasions, one of which I liked VERY much. I asked that the owner of Kahn vom Gieske please talk to me first if she EVER considered selling him. He could be a bit stubborn, but still had a lot to offer.|
by ziegenfarm on 04 June 2012 - 16:37
|okay, before this thread drops out of sight......what's going on, bob? you've kept us in suspense long enough. :) |
by Bob McKown on 04 June 2012 - 17:05
There was a 2.5 year old female with this breeding in Ohio but the girl had a TON of baggage never ofa,d and breed 2 to a Mali. I could of gotten her to look at but i called the breeding kennel and talked the owner she has a full litter mate sister with a Bh and ofa certs they may be breeding tis fall so I got on the list.
by Kevin Nance on 05 June 2012 - 23:56