German Shepherd Dog > Advice from all you RAW feeders. (16 replies)
Advice from all you RAW feeders.
by Bob McKown on 21 May 2012 - 18:27
I,m getting ready to switch my dogs to complete RAW feeding, question. My butcher has on his saws a fine paste made of bone and marrow from cutting would this be benificial for additiion to there food?. it is primarley beef with some pork I can get it for free.
by macrowe1 on 21 May 2012 - 19:24
|I do not feed raw, and could be wrong, but I know from working at a vet clinic that a lot of dogs have problems digesting pork.|
by Ramage on 21 May 2012 - 20:39
|I've had no issues feeding pork.|
by macrowe1 on 21 May 2012 - 20:50
|See, said I could be wrong haha.|
by 4 mals2sheps on 21 May 2012 - 20:59
|I also work for a vet he recommends no pork fat can cause pancreatitius, I would check amount of fat. I do know in our prescription diets k/d c/d it contains pork fat but this is also processed..|
by myret on 21 May 2012 - 21:07
|Some dogs digest pork many get very very hard stools so I would not use it very often|
by GK1 on 21 May 2012 - 21:09
|You're smart going raw. Flesh, bone and organ...you can do some research on finding a balance, but my guess is you will develop your own recipes based on what's avail to you, what you can afford and what your dog likes. My pup is indiscriminate, but raw chicken quarters with skin and bones make the bulk of his caloric intake. I grind nothing; even feed frozen so he can work his jaws. A little cooked fish and a few drops of human grade cod liver oil. Raw, frozen beef soup bones with marrow for chewing. I add raw eggs and plain Greek yogurt too. I am not versed with feeding raw pork though.|
There are an abundance of fruits, herbs and vegetables you can mix in in small amounts- just do your research. I think a general understanding of the raw diet coupled with some common sense (and keeping your dog trim and fit)is more important than trying to apply a scientific formula that has you fretting over each ingredient and amount.
by OGBS on 21 May 2012 - 21:32
I put that stuff on my B.L.T. sandwiches.
Hope all is well!
Do it in moderation, should be okay!
by 1GSD1 on 21 May 2012 - 21:35
|What is left on the saw is mostly fat. I would pass. My grandfather was a butcher, my father was a butcher, my uncle was a butcher. All had their own stores, all worked in slaughter houses at one time but my dad hated that! Ironically our dogs didn't eat raw but had a bone here or there....|
by yellowrose of Texas on 21 May 2012 - 23:56
I would pass on the buzz saw meal...no telling
I would just feed raw pork bones...same as beef ones...I feed all of it..
My butcher is the head of Brookshires Meat distribution and did have his own cows..he is retiring and he sold all cows.
so I just get deer meat now from him
Use same percaution you would if you were eating it..
BUT do add all the extras as you go during the week...raw egg(whole thing) brown ones from yards..not store bought.
Also broth off of your veggies without salt... too much fat is bad for pancreas...so is all that kibble with crap in it.
so is fritos, hot dogs, potato chips, dr. pepper, colas, and most cereals with high fructose corn syrup..and the list goes on and on
RAW veggies for us are better than cooked ones...so there we go
off to eat my carrots..and how about eating evening primrose???yellow kind???should I?
Feed it to the dogs , too??
by Niesia on 22 May 2012 - 00:09
What your butcher has, is called 'saw filings', and probably it is the most nutritional thing you can feed your dog with (especially from beef). I've been using it for 6 years now with excellent results. My girl was started on kibble and didn't have any interest in chewing on bones. I tried to find some kind of product that would add the gristle, bone and marrow to her diet. My butcher (who is selling prepared raw dog food) didn't know how to grind the bones, but then I saw the pink piles under their saws. When I asked what it was - he called it 'saw filings' - thing they were throwing out by truckloads. Since he started to do dog food mixture for us with 25% of 'saw filings' in them - he started to use it in his other dog food. Other owners (and their pooches) loved the change - and both sides are more than happy now.
However there is there is a big downside to it worth mentioning - it spoils really quick. It won't survive 48 hours in the fridge. The good thing is that it defrosts quickly in room temperature.
You will have to experiment with how much of it you can feed to your dog. My 'rule of thumb' is about 25% of a total meal. If you put too much - your dog may get constipated. Saw filings act as a 'poop firmer' - so observe it (stools too loose - add more, hard and white - reduce).
I agree with the posts above warning about raw pork - my dogs never liked it and I don't think it would agree with them. On the opposite - they love cooked pork.
They like raw fish (head and all) for a good snack as well...
Regarding 1GSD1 comment on it being mainly fat - I don't know about the butcher store that doesn't process whole carcasses. Mine processes whole cows so his saw filings have bits of every piece of the cow. I imagine that if the butcher cuts only already processed stakes, ribs and chucks - than maybe there is a big fat content in it... However my dogs never got fat by eating it. Only time they gain weight is when I add cooked grains to their diet. If I want to slim them down (for a show) - pure RAW for a week does the trick.
Great decision - good luck.
by Niesia on 22 May 2012 - 05:14
For everybody who is convinced that RAW diet is bad for their dogs, I recommend a book:
by dshlerner on 22 May 2012 - 15:47
|For a simple (but not cheap) solution,consider K-9 Kraving pre-packaged raw diet. Been using it for several years with EXCELLENT results. Slow,steady growth,teeth like ivory,gorgeous coats,improved vigor and vitality,(much) smaller,less malodorous stools. Can't say enough about it !|
Best of luck!!
P.S: In reference to above comment, "cheap" and "not so cheap" are,of course,relative concepts. K-9 Kraving is very cost effective if you are feeding one dog,but the cost rises significantly if you are feeding multiple ones.
by lhczth on 22 May 2012 - 16:48
|Bob, I never fed the saw/meat "dust" because my butcher said it would spoil very quickly. I could have had it for free, but didn't bother. |
Some dogs do not handle pork well. I have fed it for years and never had an issue with it. Most premixes are very expensive though I do buy a tripe/gullet/trachea mix from http://www.mypetcarnivore.com/ I also get some other stuff from them like mutton chunks (when my sheep farmer friend isn't butchering) and baby beef chunks. Friend uses their premixes, but she is only feeding one GSD and a small mix.
by yellowrose of Texas on 22 May 2012 - 17:52
| That is good to know about the sawblade shavings>|
I would have never fed it till now.. I was afraid of what else was in it from the saw blade?
GOOD info ...I may ask the butcher ...but most places here have no butcher..everything comes from a package....
by Pharaoh on 24 May 2012 - 05:15
|Hi Bob, |
You will likely be very pleased by the good condition your dogs will exhibit.
One of the things that I have changed in recent years is using Honest Kitchen Preference. I mix the preference with water, apple cider vingegar, salmon oil, and a few drops of Vit E. I grind up a couple of whole chickens and mix it all up into a mush and freeze portions to make less work. Then, I give them chicken legs and thighs and other meaty bones. Every couple of days, I defrost a few portions.
When I run out of frozen mush, and I am too lazy to grind chickens, I just give them raw meaty bones for a couple of days. They LOVE their food.
I prepare mush about twice a month.
by judron55 on 24 May 2012 - 12:22
|I feed my dogs everything and they eat everything....table scraps...raw pork, beef, chicken, fish, vegetables, fruit, eggs, bones....steamed at times.....no grinding....even for pups:-) Kibble when travelling....Never had a problem!|