German Shepherd Dog > Is this fake or legit pedigree (27 replies)
Is this fake or legit pedigree
by Shtal on 15 May 2012 - 04:25
My friend bought some german shepherd puppies from a local breeder, he invited me to his home and see the puppies, but then I asked him to show me pedigrees of the sire and dam of the pups. And seeing the pedigrees I got little concern how? - Sire PACO VON DAN, is pure black GSD; where would this gene came from or somebody faked AKC papers.
BTW, I crossed the breeder name; I am not sure if I should expose his name on this forum.
by RLHAR on 15 May 2012 - 04:32
|Well the bitch is black so she would be "aa".|
Then the sire is black and tan, could be heterogenous for black and tan (a+AS) carrying through from the sable bitch in the third generation so that would be the second "a" to result in a "aa" puppy when bred to the "aa" bitch.
by Shtal on 15 May 2012 - 04:44
|This is off-topic quesiton to YR.|
In this thread YR said http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=182143
winxpman user faked the pedigree, well I just discover TIA VOM Banks Nadelhaus is the same user who submited this dog too.
by Shtal on 15 May 2012 - 04:53
|Here is Ramo VI who also produced white GSD submited by winxpman|
by Shtal on 15 May 2012 - 04:57
Thanks for the link.
by Chaz Reinhold on 15 May 2012 - 04:58
|They're all puppies in the eyes of the lord. Stop judging.|
by Shtal on 15 May 2012 - 05:03
|Chaz Reinhold said Stop judging.|
My friend planning to breed those girls in the future, if the pedigree is fake then later it will get worse after he sells his pups.
by Chaz Reinhold on 15 May 2012 - 05:12
by yellowrose of Texas on 15 May 2012 - 05:13
| Shtal I cannot see which RAMO VI IT IS..|
DID YOU READ THE post I proved that that same man faked the two dogs and the third one had Ramo vi with two different parents for same litter and same litter has two different parentage both sire and dam and RAMOVI CANNOT BE BORN TO TWO DIFFERENT PARENTS , SIRE AND DAM
I HAVE NO CLUE WHICH ONE IS CORRECT.....IS RAMO VI THE SON OF GUS OR SON OF Ozi?
did YOU DO WHAT I TOLD YOU TO DO.
DO YOU SEE TWO RAMO VI PEDIGREES SUBMITTED ..
DO YOU SEE ONE IS WRONG...HOW WOULD I KNOW WHICH ONE IS TRUE....
CALL AKC AND ASK THEM
you CANNOT HAVE TWO PEDIGREES FOR THE SAME DOG WITH THREE PUPS OUT OF 4 PARENTS AND ALL REGISTERED TO THE SAME LITTER
DOG O3 O4 AND 06
yes....one of the pedigrees is fake...MAYbe you do not understand what you saw..
COPY both of the pedigrees on the three pups related to the white shepherd...then look at the two Ramo VI and tell me
ONE is fakE
by yellowrose of Texas on 15 May 2012 - 05:16
| Rhlar: we are dealing with a breeder who fakes pedigrees |
go read the this has to be a mistake...
has nothing to do with BLACK gene....RAMO VI was used by this man and he used two versions of it..because I uncovered it..
go read the I found the lie down at end of thread....
by Shtal on 15 May 2012 - 06:04
by fawndallas on 15 May 2012 - 11:21
|WOW. I had no idea it was possible to fake a pedigree, but I guess anything is possible with a computer and creativity. Is there any thing on a pedigree that AKC would mark it legit from them? I would have thought the registration nbrs are enough. For the average person...these people make it very difficult to try to purchase a good dog. Especially if the person is only looking for a house pet and really can't justify spending thousands of dollars on a house pet from a well deserved and legit breeder. The good breeders bring high dollar for their dogs (which is well deserved) which are generally show or competition quality. What is the average person to do when they are just looking for a house pet?|
by Kaffirdog on 15 May 2012 - 11:56
I could be way off mark here as the US registration system is different to our UK one, but whether the pedigree is correct or not, the names look like mostly pet registrations, what we call a Rex and Sheba mating over here. I can understand someone with a couple of pet dogs breeding with them, they and their family may understandably want to keep puppies from the dogs they love and trust, but why would anyone buy a pet bred dog for the express purpose of breeding? Can't see what they can expect to achieve from it?
by RLHAR on 15 May 2012 - 12:53
|YR I could honestly not care less what shennanigans the breeder is up too. |
I haven't read those other threads because they do not interest me in the slightest. I merely answered to the genetics of the dogs shown on the pedigree. If there was another agenda going on in the question then I shall bow out and leave you all to your witch hunt.
by Kimmelot on 15 May 2012 - 16:04
|On the Bitches side , LFR Miss Maybeline Beauty - our dog, bi color , came from lines that produced black. American showlines etc. Basko is owned by friends of ours, they are good people and own Maybeline from us, they dont fake pedigrees.|
by aceofspades on 15 May 2012 - 16:47
|Ace over there in my avatar is black (well more bicolor) has black and tan mother and father and all white grandmother (mothers mother)|
by Mel62368 on 15 May 2012 - 18:33
|This is the photo they used for Dino's mother http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=685521|
by Mel62368 on 15 May 2012 - 18:48
|check this out http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=633002 as sloveks lady brynne,... also listed for sale as Romona http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/belgian_malinois/classifieds/143371.html???????????????? WTH|
by yellowrose of Texas on 15 May 2012 - 20:46
| Rhlar: THIS IS NO WITCH HUNt|
the PEDIGREE WAS PUT UP ON ANOTHER THREAD AND THIS BREEDER HAS FAKED A PEDIGREE ON A DOG NAMED DINO
DINO HAS LITTER NUMBER SHARED WITH TWO OTHER DOGS AND RAMO vi WAS CHANGED READ THIS OFF THE OTHER THREAD..
IT IS FILLED WITH DISCREPINCIES..
do YOU WANT TO BUY A DOG FROM SOMEONE WHO CHANGES PEDIGREES......
THIS IS THE THREAD POST COPIED THAT I SHOWED dino HAS BEEN FAKED ON PEDIGREE AND I HAVE THE EXAMPLES...LOOK AT THE FACTS...IT IS NOT A WITCH HUNT . IT IS PROOF OF TWO DIFFERENT PEDIGREES PUT UP AS THE PARENTS OF A DOG OFF THIS PEDIGREE
by yellowrose of Texas on 15 May 2012 - 20:49
| yoU CANNOT GIVE AN answer about a black dog when the RAMO VI pedigree was used by the same person , on two different dogs and was listed with litter numbers belonging to three dogs with a BIG discrepancy in who ramo vi REALLY IS....|
Shadow VLL LL
WHICH ramo vi PRODUCED this PAIR???
the ramo vi with gunno vonn as his father
or the ramo vi with Bob v gargabellu as his father.
same man claims his litter of three dogs he produced using same litter number but on db say one belongs to BOB and the other two belong to gunno with the exact same litter number 03, 02 and then 06 belonging to the other BOB pedigree....
SO which one produced this pedigree...??? DOes NOT ANYONE SEE THIS??
SOMEONE is making up things as they go...YOU cannot register three dogs in same litter with two RAMO VI's