German Shepherd Dog > Looking for a European German Shepherd excellant breeder. Bullinger Shepherds? (104 replies)
by Darka on 10 May 2012 - 16:22
|I never said that the dogs from Tracey are not nice dogs, and I also never said she won't stand behind her dogs. I don't believe anything I have said is negative, other than my saying I would not buy from a breeder who mass produces. That is personal preference. There are many breeders out there that are raising 100+ puppies a year. Some of which, people on here recommend to people who come on asking about breeders. Do you really believe the breeding animals and up and comers are getting adequate attention and socialization?|
My point is, when looking for a new family member, just do your research. Ask questions. Ask to see where the dogs live. Do not just take the word of people who have ''talked to the breeder on the phone''.
by workingdogz on 10 May 2012 - 16:29
|I think my only question when it comes to large scale|
commercial set ups is this- is there THAT much of a
shortage of good GSD that people need to derive their
livlihood from producing them in an almost factory type
I had no idea that the breed was so close
I think the basic owner seeking a healthy stable pet
has just as good of a chance, if not better, to find
a smaller scale breeder that lives with, works, trains,
titles & health tests their dogs than a large scale
commercial type kennel. Not saying they can't get a
good quality dog from there, hell, I'd hope they could!
by Gusmanda on 10 May 2012 - 17:32
|I've come to the conclussion that to a certain extent, breeders need to have a good amount of dogs being produced, in order to observe patterns as to which dogs producte what traits so a breeder with more breeding stock can better asses what the outcome of a breeding will result in. With a smaller-hobby breeder, you don't get this benefit, although you get other benefits such as breeder being more familiar with each individual pup. Anyway, second conclusion I've reached is buyers REALLY need to do their homework, breeders will do their best to match you with with a correct pup, but it is not a replacement for due-diligence.|
by Darka on 10 May 2012 - 17:55
|If I am buying a dog, I want one that has been raised underfoot. I want one that has experienced car rides and cats and vacuums running and pans being dropped. Someone who raises their pups in their home (or is always having them inside) and is raising one litter at a time, getting them used to all these things is really putting their all into their dogs. Someone who leaves them out in a kennel to be fed 2 times daily until someone comes to buy them, is not. JMO and preference. Edited to add that maybe I should make a thread small vs large breeders as I have kind of gotten off track.|
by EuroShepherd on 11 May 2012 - 01:27
There are people out there who are incapable of taking good care of one cat and then there are people out there who are capable of taking excellent care of 100 cats. It all boils down to the individual people.
A person could raise only one litter a year, and be really crappy puppy raisers. Another person could raise 10 litters a year and those puppies could be socialized 110%.
"Do you really believe the breeding animals and up and comers are getting adequate attention and socialization?"
I absolutely know they can, I've seen it myself. Those "up and comers" couldn't earn titles and championships if they weren't getting daily attention, training and socialization. As for the large kennel that I mentioned previously where I worked. All the dogs were given affection daily, almost every day (except during bad weather) they were excercized in groups out in fenced in pastures and woods. There was a pond for swimming and retrieving work during warm days. The dogs were rotated in the house so everyone learned house manners. A few dogs each week would get a one-on-one trip to a park or store. Whenever possible, at least one dog, if not two or three, got to go in the car for errands.
Large good breeders have a stigma against them because puppymills are large-giant kennel operations. But it's a naive stereotype to dismiss a good breeder just because they have a large breeding program.
And besides, where do you think most small breeders get their breeding dogs from? If you're really against large breeders then make sure the small breeder that you buy a puppy from doesn't have any large kennel names in their dogs' pedigrees, else you'll still be supporting large breeders.
by Darka on 11 May 2012 - 02:18
|Well, you are all going to believe what you want to believe until you see different with your own eyes, I suppose.|
by Chaz Reinhold on 11 May 2012 - 03:18
|"And besides, where do you think mostsmall breeders get their breeding dogs from? If you're really against large breeders then make sure the small breeder that you buy a puppy from doesn't have any large kennel names in their dogs' pedigrees, else you'll still be supporting large breeders."............lol|
by Judy Will on 11 May 2012 - 04:47
|Wow I didn't think so many would respond,|
interesting replies a lot to think about. Thanks
by kitkat3478 on 27 May 2012 - 04:24
|Well I have a Bullinger dog, I'll post some pics of him. He is "ALL THAT", and than some|
by Tom on 27 May 2012 - 13:28
|I can strongly recoment Bullinger breed Tracy does have the best GSD in North America. She does her homework and breed to the best GSD in Germany.|
Her breeding females all come from great bloodlines.
( GSD breeder from Germany)
by Bhaugh on 27 May 2012 - 17:31
|I would ask, as I do of ANY breeder large or small, do they take back what they breed? To some this may not be a concern whether they do or they don't but I feel that this is the difference between an ethical breeder and not so ethical one. I also ask of any breeder if genetic issues come up, will they pull that dog from the breeding pool? I do not know Tracey nor have I talked to her but when someone is producing this many puppies a year, it would be a question I would ask or would have a buyer ask when calling.|
The US is inundated with dogs well bred that end up at the shelter. Good breeding won't matter when the dog is being euthanized because a breeder wouldn't take the dog back. Seen it more times than I can count.
by brynjulf on 27 May 2012 - 17:56
|Yes, she does. Stands behind her stock a zillion per cent. She is one of the few who goes above and beyond for her dogs.|
by Darka on 27 May 2012 - 18:24
|I would check with local GSD rescues in the breeder's area and ask if they take back dogs of their breeding that come into the rescue. They would know.|
by ShelleyR on 27 May 2012 - 19:02
|I spent several days at Tracy's house when I picked Jed out. If you could see her dogs, her facilities, the care and attention ALL her dogs get, from her, her help and her club, not to mention the care and attention the people lucky enough to get one of her dogs or pups recieve FOR THE LIFE OF THE DOG, this discussion would be over. |
You simply cannot do better.
by Pirates Lair on 28 May 2012 - 00:49
|- I can strongly recoment Bullinger breed Tracy does have the best GSD in North America|
LOL, I'll remind that to the people who purchased one of this Breeders dogs, and were just here looking at a Real dog!
I won't bother to mention why.
by Pirates Lair on 28 May 2012 - 01:56
How many, if any of this Breeders dogs ( whom you speak so highly of) do you own?
Just asking a reasonable question that any prospective buyer should ask.
Please post their Pedigree's, pictures, videos and or accomplishments, after all this is an International Forum.
by Pirates Lair on 28 May 2012 - 05:08
|Darka said- I would check with local GSD rescues in the breeder's area and ask if they take back dogs of their breeding that come into the rescue. They would know. |
by yellowrose of Texas on 28 May 2012 - 05:56
| Kim my dear:|
I owned a female, yes, out of NAX V BULLINGER AND VASHA V FLEISCHERHEIM .
I had moved here to EAST TEXAS. DROPPED OUT OF SCHUTZHUNG, as SPRING VALLEY SCHUTZHUND club closed down..I was in volved with Gal Co SO and Harris CO so> AND I had no need or want to title any more dogs ..I started with Larry Filo and his guidance and my two dogs were evalutaed by the same German judge who handed out titles in Houston and he told me to go home, keep training and breed the dogs he suggested me to and how.
I had him and three other breeders mentor me... I latter found the opportunity to buy Asta
I immediately talked to our wonderful judge now in Schutzhund Russell Osbourne who took Nax all the way. I have his Breed survey in front of me from Tracey Bullinger Surrey BC, I have his orthopedic foundation certificate Xw-957572 Gs 33518G25M-T, GOOD, I have his and Vasha's pedigrees in German, and spent time on phone with both Russell and TRACEY..SHE had no reason to even care who I was, but she did. It spoke tons of who she is and was.
I then got a phone call from Tracey , in fact , she called me three times.. Once was one day three yrs later when someone on here started a thread that mentioned her name.
I never titled her, she came to me 4 yrs old...a long coat and wonderful pigment, and I bred her to a Pirol v Enclavehof son , with Jada Stefenhaus on the other side..
I have puppies from that one birth that are faboulous and well rounded but no one put a title on any of them MY customers are business and police men in depts that want family dogs to protect and serve them at home...I produced it
Here is one of those boys...TRIPL H SIR MALACHI..LIVES IN TEXAS WITH AN OWNER OF A BOAT WORKS AND HE DOES HIS JOB WELL.
Nax v Bullinger is this dogs grand sire... Vasha and Nax produced my female below Asta.
Russell Osbourn is one of the best trainers in our Southern Region and has impecible knowledge about Nax v BUllinger and where he came from. I took his words and for Tracey to call me and give me some history was way beyond what any breeder ususally does..
Not only do I have Osbourn word, but several other trainers I have been very pleased to meet along the way in Texas, that the Bullinger dogs I ask about were excellent.
Do I pass the Smell test?
by yellowrose of Texas on 28 May 2012 - 06:18
| Mr kim;|
I , HEREBY , GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO CALL LARRY FILO , OF STEINIGTAL KENNELS AND HE CAN VERIFY I HAVE BEEN TO CAMPSBELLSPORT , WI, at his partner Rich FORD where Cadette v busceckerSChloss /Zilla v Weithurchen birthed my tripl H ZU ZU and for years Larry has intructed me and conversed with me
The day you interigate me on a public forum as to my recommendation of dogs I stand up for or breeders I mention to be the best will be a day you will not forget.
YOU have no right to call me out . I have records and can provide you with names and where I go and where I get my proof. I guess you think I bought my dogs at a flea market??
YOU have gaul for sure. I have no idea who you are but I do now.
NO one calls me a liar. I worked for a Private Investigation company in Houston on cases worse than dog cases..DO YOU wANT THE NAME OF THEM TOO.
my REPUTATION FAR EXCEEDS ANY OF THE armchair breeders on this site. I can forward a few Police DOG TRAINERS AND OWNERS OF MY DOGS...
SO YES, I do have dogs from the breeders I mention.. go look at my pedigrees.Would you like to know about the traits of a Korbelback dog.. First call Adrian Ledda and ask him if I have a Korbelback dog name Bear Jerome...listed in the pedigree section for you info...
SO you can back off KIMBO..
I do not appreciate your making people on here believe you know what is truth or fiction.
Maybe you need to do some research...
I happen to have worked many cases and I do know what law is and having been owner of a large business. and manager of 6 high end botiques and working with Gal County SO and Harris Co So and I helped ASt da. ANDREW TURBYVILL PROSECUTE TOP DOG ACADEMNY , Michael Franklin for dog fraud involving the Harris co so department as he had my male K9 and stole it and sold it..SO do not walk down law with me.
I am so sorry you have to call people out on a dog forum.when you do not even know them..
Yes I am very angry and very mad.
THIS KIND OF ACCUSATIONS ARE THE WORST...WHY DO YOU COME HERE KIM? WHO ARE YOU .?? DO YOU TRIAL DOGS, BREED DOGS?
by Pirates Lair on 28 May 2012 - 06:21
|Yellow Rose- Do I pass the Smell test?|
You might pass a smell test in Texas, but not in British Columbia, Canada (we all live in Igloo's)
I must say that for someone who spends as much time on this forum as you do (with your slow dial up internet), your accomplishments are outstanding!
I think that I have done all that I can now to Repeat the words of; Yellow Rose and the rest of the PDB (when convenient for them) to do so; Research
Research , dam, I said it again!