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by Rass on 01 May 2012 - 17:24 |
| Get a long wand cattle prod.. tractor Supply sells them. Carry it when you walk your dog in this place and USE it on the white dog. It will not kill the dog and it won't leave a mark but believe me, the dog will NEVER bother you again after getting nailed with it, even if off leash. Fact is, the dog may see you and head for the hills which is not your concern. Your concern is the safety of your dog. Electric shock terrifies most dogs and I have never had a dog openly challenge electric shock such as a cattle prod delivers. |
by Anthony8858 on 01 May 2012 - 17:26 |
| Get a long wand cattle prod.. tractor Supply sells them. Carry it when you walk your dog in this place and USE it on the white dog. It will not kill the dog and it won't leave a mark but believe me, the dog will NEVER bother you again after getting nailed with it, even if off leash. Fact is, the dog may see you and head for the hills which is not your concern. Your concern is the safety of your dog. Electric shock terrifies most dogs and I have never had a dog openly challenge electric shock such as a cattle prod delivers. You're not the first person to mention this. Of course, living in NYC, I won't find too many Cattle Prods, but I'll search online. |
Anthony8858 by Rass on 01 May 2012 - 17:28 |
| BTW if you dog has a weak nerve, it will manifest over many different things, not just with respect to dogs. It will show as avoidance/diversionary behavior in stressful situations (sniffing the ground, circling, licking lips, yawning, turning head to one side, looking away and whimpering and so forth). A dog with a weak nerve lacks confidence in new situations or stressful situations. A dog with a weak nerve may also involve itself in obsessive, nevous behaviors with you such as quicly and repeatedly licking you, nuzzling you, circling you or spinning, and so forth when stressed (including if you raise your voice or offer any sort of threatening body posture). As your dog matures you will see it, if it is a problem. |
by Rass on 01 May 2012 - 17:33 |
Tractor Supply sells cattle prods with different length wands. |
by Two Moons on 01 May 2012 - 19:00 |
| Rass, If I caught you using a cattle prod on a dog you would know what it felt like many times over, possibly internally. In many places you could even be arrested and charges filed. What an idiotic thing to suggest. Anthony please tell me you know better. Moons. |
Two Moons by Two Moons on 01 May 2012 - 19:09 |
| Anthony, A photograph or video tape is evidence, and injuries are actionable. Use of a cattle prod is also actionable I expect in you state. I'm sure the owner of the white dog, which is not a GSD also knows this, if he doesn't remind him. Moons. |
by Anthony8858 on 02 May 2012 - 02:05 | |
Of course I know better. I would never do anything as drastic. I wouldn't hurt the dog. I'm a dog lover :) It's the owners that need a cow prod. I've decided to seek out the owner, and have a word with him about how he's endangering the safety of my dog, and possibly others. I'll offer him a chance to always keep his dog leashed, or I'll have to report him. That's probably the smartest way to approach him. | |
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 May 2012 - 03:05 |
| I got news for you MOONS>>>Cattle prods are used on K9's all over the USA IT is a civil way to control an uncontrollable dog... WHEN other methods cannot be used. Actually , AC will tell people who live where dogs run loose and the owners do not obey the LEASH law , a cattle prode is same as the ELECTRIC collar we use to train our gsd, police dogs, trial dogs, and Water Retrievers for years .. Where have you been Moons. UNDER a haystack? YR |
yellowrose of Texas by Two Moons on 02 May 2012 - 03:24 |
| Rose, I remember the first ones ever sold. They are designed for the thick hide of livestock, not a dog. Yeah, I'd shove one up some ones ass in a heartbeat. I've always had a kind spot in my heart for you Rose, but if you think this is an appropriate means of handling a dog I'm beginning to rethink my high opinion of you a little. That is no way to deal with a problem dog. No wonder I stopped posting my training thoughts here. I have never seen any of the professional trainers I know use a cattle prod period. Anthony, you are correct, it is not the dogs fault, the owner has full responsibility for his animal at all times. I just hope he's not the asshole that I imagine him to be. Good luck with that. Moons. |
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 May 2012 - 03:27 |
| AnthonY I just logged on and the answer to your question was YES>.the minute I saw her pedigree I knew The reason is I have REX, who has some of the same dogs in his pedigree. Rex is a LONG STORY, never been told, and came from Dallas. THE first 1 yrs of his life, he was chained on a 5ft chain in the back yard of a MANSION , owned by Hoang's Family THE mansion had backyard gardens to fit a KING> BUT Rex was not allowed to set one or four of his feet on it or in it. THE realtor who had is listed saw REX, IN THE chained position every time she went there. NO water , no food bowl..Owners did not speak English, house was for sale.
One day she couldn't take it anylonger and she called Col. Rich****() , former K9 OFFICER of Mesquite PD, now an investigator and owner of 3 of my gsd., on the phone as he lived behind this subdivision. HE came immediately, called me and said DO you want this beautiful dark pigmented gsd we just found chained.? I said , why?
He said the owner was either going to sell this male to him or he was mandating the Judge to order the dog removed from their care/ In less than 4 hours I was in Dallas and Rex was mine. Beautiful Arminius dog, that didn't know one command, didn't know how to play ball, didn't know how to follow on a lead, but he knew LOVE He was not timid, he was just not a dog . HE was a piece of property on a chain. THE man didn't even say GOOD BYE to REX. It took me a year to get REX TO EVEN chase a ball..SO to this day , he is not interested in any balls, has no play drive except with me and my hands and my feet. HE will never have the get up and GO I bred, but I had his hips done and he will never leave my side. He is the REX. that Texas Peg took to Longview and he was not gonna stay with her after I visited him that day a year ago. HE lives in my home, will not stay outside, longer than 2 hours playing with the females which he does love. HE is not dominate with any female infact , they run him off from his own food bowl... SO DOES that TELL YOU WHY I KNEW..WHEN I SAW THE same dogs in your dogs pedigree I had a suspicion. Just enjoy her , and when you get ready for another gsd, consult with some mentors before you buy another. YR |
by Rik on 02 May 2012 - 03:28 |
| Just wondering what would be the difference in a cattle prod and an e-collar. And I have seen trainers at the highest level of international competition use an e-collar. |
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 May 2012 - 03:31 |
Sorry Moons, but I have boots higher than that.. I have walked in many venues for the last 33 years and I have been in many training fields of cattle, dogs, police trials, schutzhund fields, and in the homes of 4 top trainers in this USA> ONE IN Wisconsin, and Florida and Texas and I have walked the fields of Oklahoma and seen Cattle Prods used. THERE ARE MANY uses for Cattle Prods. Think what you want.. MY reputation is already served me High and well. I post the truth and I do not candy Coat my profession nor my Religion YR |
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 May 2012 - 03:47 |
| RIK: THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I JUST MENTIONED. IN fact , RIK, my years of Training in DALLAS, I could tell things that TOP top, competitors, I trained with and watched and how they used worse things than Cattle Prods> TRY explaining the E collar used on a dog on a table when teaching that DOberman to release that dumbell when teaching the FORCED RELEASE?????? E Collars are used on top BIRD DOGS all over the world and they turn that amperage up to top numbers , too. I raised tough , hard dogs and I learned how to protect myself in any situation NOT ALL DOGS require a CATTLE PROD>>>READ how and why I said do it..... On the beach in Galveston , my friends in Schutzhund carry cattle prods because of OFF LEASH dogs running the beach attacking or running right up to a GSD that you do not want touched nor harmed nor bit. I do not want any dog engaging my gsd, and neither do the friends walking the beach in galveston. These owners also have ranches and cattle prods are an every day piece of equipment. TAKE A TRIP to Germany, Belgium , or THE Netherlands and spend 3 months in a club, live in a home of a breeder and trainer , of working line gsd, watching every days events in the lives of working a gsd., or a Rotty or a Dobby, or any working line dog.. A cattle prod will seem like a CANDY CANE to you after you spend your days getting educated in thses homes in Germany. YR |
by Two Moons on 02 May 2012 - 03:52 |
| Rik, A cattle prod will throw a spark and drop a full grown man to the ground. An e-collar has settings and much lower impact. I know Rose, You do not like my posts against gouda and Sthal. As for using cattle prods on dogs, just because people do it doesn't make it right or a proper way to train, sorry we will have to disagree on that as well. And the boots? I'll just let that one lay. Moons. |
by Rik on 02 May 2012 - 04:31 |
| to the OP, not going to comment on pedigree, but a sound GSD can overcome a lot of stressful issues in a pretty short time. |
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 May 2012 - 04:35 |
| Moons: No place did I say TRAIN a dog with a cattle prod...that I have never seen..re read my post. Using a cattle prod is for an Unmanageable , uncontrollable dog.....at any given time... DO not PUT WORDS INTO MY POSTING... do NOT ASSUME THINGS.... you KNOW BETTER THAN to speak for ME. FREE to post anything you want. I am a big girl now, and I wear BIG GIRL PANTIES. AND CAN TAKE THE HEAT. I just do not think this BOARD is the place for it.. LOL laugh MOONS>. I never addressed those postings and will not. I just know that the man who can prove EVOLUTION as it is only THEORY, I will personally write to the Board In\ Scotland, Switzerland and Norway, who awards the Nobel Peace Prize and submit his or her name. YR |
by Anthony8858 on 02 May 2012 - 10:31 |
| I LOVE this place. It reminds me of my family sitting around the dinner table, having a ahem, friendly, conversation. But seriously....... All of you have a wealth of knowledge and experience, and I respect and apprecieate all of your replies. |
by beetree on 02 May 2012 - 11:19 |
| About cattle prods. They demonstrated the use of them on rams to induce erections back in my college days. I'd never use one on a dog after seeing that! |
beetree by yellowrose of Texas on 02 May 2012 - 21:15 |
| Yes, Beetree, can tell you have no experience out in the dog world of training nor in the world of traveling with SPORT dogs of all kinds.. Cattle prods work wonders on people also. A whole lot safer than VIAGRA!! LOL I think I will go buy two ALL the robberies in our towns here and break in senior citizen homes, I will deliver some Cattle Prods to two older ladies who live down the road. Sshe will just have to use them until I get Raydo there to finish the bad guys off. Yr |
by beetree on 02 May 2012 - 22:54 |
| Never said I did YR. I am the consummate pet person. Oh horrors! I thought I wanted to be a vet once, and that was when I was accepted to college. They showed us all sorts of cool things, like well, the one I described. They even offered to let me cut the nuts off a suckling pig. I declined, LOL But I can describe how to do it! |
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