German Shepherd Dog > What a beautiful dog - Can anyone tell me about this line? (48 replies)
What a beautiful dog - Can anyone tell me about this line?
by fawndallas on 29 April 2012 - 05:23
|I saw this beautiful dog advertised for stud service. Can anyone tell me about this line?|
1. I am not interested in a show line.
2. Strong protection drive is ok...but not if it is so strong I have to worry about children.
3. I am not interested to breed. I might be interested in a resulting pup; especially if they have the same coloring and coat as the stud.
I am primarly looking for anyone who has a line in the US from this stud; as I am not quite willing to ship a pup in from over seas.
Again, all I have is the picture of the stud that caught my undivided attention.
Czech Import from Jinopo Kennels. Very hard dog. (what does this mean?) 95lbs
by BlackthornGSD on 29 April 2012 - 05:42
|It'd help if you'd link to the dog.|
by brynjulf on 29 April 2012 - 05:48
|My guess is that if you need to ask what a hard dog is this is not the breeding for you. Not trying to be mean at all. I would look at WL breedings that are softer in temperment and have high biddabilty. There are people on this board that can steer you in that general direction. There are working line folk on this board that breed nice family dogs. That have good even stable temperment. You keep looking at serious working line dogs. Not what I would recommend at all for a beginner :) If the ad says serious or very hard these are NOT the dogs you are looking for at this time. Get some titles under your belt then start looking at these types of dogs :) It will save you some heart ache.|
by fawndallas on 29 April 2012 - 06:09
|Sigh..I was afraid of that.....|
If I come across another line that catches my eye, what type of "trigger words" do I look for? Here is a list of things that I require of any dog in my home. I understand much of this can be taught, but if, once taught, I have to continually monitor the dog to insure these things are true, it is really not the dog I am looking for (I already have one of those. I care for him greatly, but I am not sure I would do it again, knowing what I know now).
1. Calm....a dog that I have to teach and continually command to not jump around is more than I want.
2. One that I can teach the difference between children and adults.
3. One that is questioning around strangers but not shy or aggressive about it.
4. One that is gentle, but very confident in who they are.
by fawndallas on 29 April 2012 - 06:14
|Sorry, here is a link to the dog itself. He is beautiful. Of all the ads I have seen on this sight, he is the only one that makes that prideful, confident stance look natural and not taught.|
Please, no offense to all the other breeders out there. Your lines have there purpose and have many places.
by Hundmutter on 29 April 2012 - 06:49
|Fawn have you watched the video on the owners site all through ? Would you want a dog which thinks - or has been taught to think - that its a fun game to grab the arm of someone through a car window ? Suppose you are at some 'do' at your kids school and someone rattles by your car with a load of balloons and stuff ? They wont be wearing a bite sleeve. I really don't understand why this dog was doing this - it does not form any part of any exercise in Hundsport that I'm aware of. Sure, nice looking dogs ... but if they are raised like that, then its a 'seriously' competitive kennel and the dogs will be 'hard' , i.e. they'll be 'high drive' on prey/play and a real handful for anyone inexperienced. Wish you all the best with finding someone who can provide pups from a line that doesn't have quite so much energy !|
by fawndallas on 29 April 2012 - 07:00
|No....this is so not what I want.|
Sigh..the down side is so many of the registered GSDs lines that I find either present their lines to this extreme or for showline (and price tags to go with them).....
I know there has to be a registered GSD line out there that is in the middle ground I am looking for.....Any direction to send me?
by Felloffher on 29 April 2012 - 07:39
You don't have a clue and really shouldn't be giving advice.
Talk to the owners of the dogs you are interested in and get a feel for what the produce. Not all pups in a litter have the exact same level of drive or protective instinct and training has much to do with the final product you're looking at. Dogs from most lines don't come out of the womb looking to attack kids with balloon's from a vehicle.
If you don't understand some of the terms being used to describe certain character traits, then just use the search engine on this site. There has been lengthy discussions on the most of these terms (hard, soft, sharp, civil and so on). You seem to have a fairly good idea of what you're looking for, so just ask questions and be very clear that you want to be matched with a pup as close to your description as possible.
by BlackthornGSD on 29 April 2012 - 07:44
What? Drive has little to do with hardness and neither have anything to do with training (well, as in one causing the other). And suit work through a car window has almost nothing to do with any competitive training.
by workingdogz on 29 April 2012 - 09:47
What a complete load of crap that was Hundmutter!
Fawndallas, where are you located?
Perhaps instead of internet time,get out into the
real 'dog world' and start checking out GSD's in AKC,
Schutzhund, Conformation etc.
I believe that the owner of the male Brutus you
linked here actually has a youngster at home
living side by side with that male
Contrary to what was written by Hundmutter,
you CAN have a high drive rock solid tough dog
that is stable around people, kids, elderly,
small animals etc etc.
In fact, that is what should be expected in a dog bred with
correct temperment and nerve, not a highlighted selling point!
Since you have so many misconceptions about Schutzhund dogs,
perhaps if you indicated where you are located, clubs and breeders
can be recommended to you so that you can visit and learn what the
components of temperment really are.
Strong dogs that are civil aggressive etc can be safe around people,
even kids with balloons coming up to your car
As for the price of these dogs, progeny of the dogs etc?
Well, expect to pay $800-$1500 for a well bred puppy
from Koer'd titled parents. Showline (black and red) pups
tend to go for more.
While these may not be the 'baddest toughest' dogs out there,
they are indeed stable, and very safe around children no?
by Hundmutter on 29 April 2012 - 10:30
|Sigh ... I do know how working dogs SHOULD be; sadly we live in the real world where a lot of people do competition work for the glory, and what they produce in training and breeding seems not always to live up to their hype. Which makes it a gamble if you are not already steeped in that world and can sort the wheat from the chaff. She wants a puppy in the near future, not in three years study time. What is wrong with advising someone who says she does not know what is meant by a "hard dog" to avoid the more dedicated sports kennels ? No reflection on them, as such, just a steer away from something that doesn't really suit the OP. Of course there will be variabilty in litters - but who can seriously predict which of their pups at 7/8/9 weeks is going to turn out to have "too much" drive for the average home ? I knew I would get jumped on. I freely admit I don't do|
Hundsport - but I have had to live for the past 7 years with a 'rescued' dog who SHOULD have been worked, but I couldn't- and he's not even particularly extreme; but the alternative was probably euthanasia.
I have also been associated with the breed for 45 years.
Plus: "Suit work through a car window has nothing to do with competitive training". My point entirely. Watch the video on the link.
by GSDguy08 on 29 April 2012 - 11:44
|Hundmutter, ever watched PSA?|
by Hundmutter on 29 April 2012 - 12:29
Anyone on here working a dog that they consider "hard" which DOES NOT have "pronounced drive" ?
by workingdogz on 29 April 2012 - 12:49
|I guess you need to start by delineating a distinct|
definition of 'hard' and 'pronounced' etc etc.
My high drive dog may be a slug is someone else's eyes
I watched the video, I saw a basic PSA exercise.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Not sure what all you are reading in to it.
The video doesn't show the complete exercise,
so you are only seeing a few seconds of the whole
The thing is, a dog can have high drive, can be pronounced
in protection etc etc and LIVE with a family, allowing
children and others to visit the home safely. And they can ride
in a vehicle and not engage because someone approaches with
balloons in their hand
I'm still wondering where people see all these unstable dogs?
We see about 40 dogs during the week at our assorted training
sessions, and while some may take an experienced handler,
none of these dogs are unsafe, unstable or unsound mentally.
I would hazard a guess that at least 80% or better of these
dogs at training also double as 'house dogs', many living with
families that encompass children and small pets.
by festnagler on 29 April 2012 - 13:41
|Everybody talks about hard dogs and dogs that should only be handled by professionals which i agree to an extent.....but can someone direct me to a utube video of a hard dog that should be handled by a novice? I have had german shepherds all my life (40 years) and have trained them myself and some more difficult than other but never one i couldnt handle. I wil add that i only started in the WL not too long ago but i still seem to get the same results. This request will help in my further endeavors and my further advancement as a handler.|
by loujolly on 29 April 2012 - 13:46
I second workingdogz, you need to get out there and meet some of these dogs. Where do you live? We can recommend clubs to visit so you can see these dogs in person and see if that is what you want.
A REAL WL GSD is not for everyone!!!
by macrowe1 on 29 April 2012 - 14:18
|Probably too strong driven for you. He's meant to be a working dog.|
by brynjulf on 29 April 2012 - 14:47
|Hundmutter, I just a a very hard dog in for training ( Ellute grandson) rediculas handler aggression issues and no prey drive at all. I sent him home as I have no interest in having a dog here that I have to "watch". I train for sport period. I am assuming he will be bounced from trainer to trainer worked in defence and will eventually title. No way I want my name on that kind of title. He is one of the first dangerous dogs I have had her in 20 odd years. My hubby cringed every time I took him out of his kennel wondering if today would be the day.... To much risk and no fun to work with, was I scared of the dog, nope but I feel he had a screw lose. Not the breeding as everyone seems to love them for sport. But a 12 month old that is actively seeking out your face to bite.... ummm no.... Corrections just made him furious ( re cocker rage)|
by nwpadogman on 29 April 2012 - 14:58
|would like to speak with you if looking for a dog but do not want to bash anyone have over 35 yrs breeding experience ....if you are serious im sure i can help all my dogs come with money back or replacement guarantee no matter what no excepetions if intrested contact me with your info i will respond i wont discuss business on any forum thank you|
by Bhaugh on 29 April 2012 - 17:11
|Ive read a few of your posts Fawndallas and I have to ask you how much training experience you actually have to take on some of the dogs you are looking for? I dont mean this in a bad way but all of what you want takes ALOT of training and with some lines someone who is dog savy to make sure they dont end up with an aggressive and or uncontrollable dog.|