German Shepherd Dog > preydrive or ball drive / no drive (10 replies)
preydrive or ball drive / no drive
by myret on 18 April 2012 - 18:29
|Hello every one|
I read and often speak to people around the training fields and many says there dogs have alot of preydrive but what I notice that many if these dogs dont have the exstreme drive they tell my own opinion.
many of these dogs wont play with nothing else but a certain toy or ball I would not call that alot of drive dog though some off them are very driven for a specific toy
I see alot of these dogs that only wants to play with one toy if the handler forgets this toy the dog will not play with anything else what is your opnion on this ????
my opnion is that a dog with high play or prey drive should not care if the toy is a dummy ,ball or stick whatever
I would like my own dogs to play with everything not a certain thing only
can you redirect the dogs that only wants to play with a certain ball and learn it to play with other toys with the same hunger and exsitement
or is this a taought because handler has only deloped drive for one plaything ???
by jimbo1710 on 18 April 2012 - 19:28
|i have wondered what is considered prey drive. If my girl loves to play frisbee, ball, or even a stick for that matter, is this considered prey drive- i call it fetch.|
by richram on 18 April 2012 - 19:35
| Hi Myret,|
If a dog likes a particular reward more than others, I use that reward almost exclusively. My dogs are all very high drive, intense and focused when I use the ball. Food has the same effect. I don't think taking a dog down in focus and intensity with a reward that doesn't have that effect is conducive to good training. Let the dog dictate what motivates him/her. Just my opinion.
by VKGSDs on 18 April 2012 - 20:23
|I use the rewards I use because they are the easiest for me (easiest to carry, hide away in a pocket, flip out, tug with, etc). In training I primarily use the medium Gappay ball because it's easy for me to hold in my left hand swinging free (I don't lure dogs with toys, they are trained to heel and make eye contact). When I want to reward I just mark the behavior and drop the ball. The dog snatches it and jumps on me to play tug with the string. I've just found this toy is easier for me to use than bulky tug toys. A plain ball is good for fetch but my dogs really want to tug with me as the reward not just possess the toy.|
My dogs will play with sticks, old rags, bumper, shoes, tennis balls, a chewed off piece of garden hose, balls, tugs, Kong, Wubba, you name it they don't really care. At home we have a sandbox where I throw all the toys from the yard. I can grab anything out of there and the dogs want to play, they run over and bark and are excited to get started.
by darylehret on 18 April 2012 - 21:08
|Does all types of food seem as savory as any other to yourself? There are different "values" that the dog will hold for different objects, but none of them are "prey" drive, in my opinion. To me, prey drive is the drive to persue a moving object, and ONLY that component in the string of sequenced events that takes place. To others, it includes the chase, the bite, and the fight, all wrapped up in one. But by this logic, many dogs who fail to have fight and possessiveness in their grips would then be considered lacking prey drive, and that would be MANY dogs of supposed "high level" prey.|
But going back to persuit of a moving object, it should barely matter WHAT that object might be, in regards to chase alone. If it happens to be a copper pipe, instead of a soft towel once that is captured, this may perhaps reveal a difference in "value" that the object holds for the dog. Some dogs might be crazy for ball and not tug, or tug and not ball, full size tire, cell phone, pet bird, or anything else. Or maybe NONE of those things, if they are not animimated to stimulate "prey". Once possession is securely taken, my personal opinion is that the prey sequence has ended, and the struggle to keep possession begins. The object of possession is captured with prey, and the defense of one's invested position then takes stage.
by Bundishep on 18 April 2012 - 23:35
|Some dogs do seem to have some favorite things to to chase but you are correct the best ones that are over the top and chase anything that moves away from them I would define as high drive,I even have a dog retreiving a box out in a lake,dogs with super high drive can be very good for police,sch,and search and rescue as long as you can train and channel the drives properly|
by GSDPACK on 18 April 2012 - 23:51
|My dogs don't care I can play with them with a stick and they work the same as for a shoe if i chose it for the day. But if I had a dog that would only work for a specific thing, I guess I would use only that one thing. I have never had a dog that would be turned off by a different toy, they LOVE to play with whatever the hell I happen to have for them.|
Just the other day I forgot my reward I used plastic bottles and they almost survived all my dogs LOL almost.
by yellowrose of Texas on 18 April 2012 - 23:59
| I am with you GSDPack:|
If I have no toy, it may be my cup , my handbag, my shirt, my tennis shoe on my foot, or the tire on the lawnmower.....
Mine do not wait to find a toy if none handy,,,they make their own...out of root in the dirt, a limb on the ground, lid off the garbage can, you name it ,,if they get it before I do ...it is theirs..
I have had to chase down mine to reclaim my own belongings they just happened to grab ....Czuiker is my worst one...he will find anything , to carry , throw up in the air,,,regrab it and run off looking back at me to see if I am in pursuit...finally bringing it back for a sitz and a rethrow...If I ignore him, it may get torn up...so I have to be very attentive as to not drop my personal things outside.
Today it was my fingers he kept checking , as if he was gonna take charge of them as I tried to leave the truck to go inside.
I keep kongs and balls up high but he just cannot wait...he must have something...to show me how good he is at his prey drive.and he has super high combo drive...lol
by Chaz Reinhold on 19 April 2012 - 02:46
|I wish women felt the same about men's sex drive, but NO....they want you to stick to just one. No pun intended. Every dog is different and I'm sure some of what you are talking about is a result of training with the same thing over a good amount of time. If, for two years, a handler pulls out a ball, the dog goes nuts and knows it is play time. Pull out a hose and some dogs are like, "WHAT!?". Some dogs don't care. All dogs like one more than another.|
by myret on 19 April 2012 - 09:52
no all food dont.
I never play with my adult female before we do ob never ever do I play some ball og prey games as I see many do and then tease the dog with the toy to hide it and do OB
She is though motivated by anything does not matter botles, balls, tugs , leaf, stick anything
by myret on 19 April 2012 - 09:53
I tend to agree