German Shepherd Dog > straight back german shepherd (20 replies)
straight back german shepherd
by duke1965 on 08 April 2012 - 09:08
|just got a pickture of an 11 month old male I bred who is trainink KNPV , he totally lacks the roach back which is not a problem for me I like his conformation|
I know whit different positioning it will show a bit more but not as much as usual
by myret on 08 April 2012 - 09:17
|Wooooow I like this dog hé is beutiful and not so angulated In the hindlegs and hé just looks beutiful not like those other frog or banana dogs you se|
by Koach on 08 April 2012 - 11:00
|Nice dog Duke.|
Well said Myret.
by myret on 08 April 2012 - 11:10
|The nice built hé has is much more suited for work and hé the dogs have much more mucsle tone to their lower back and hindlegs which helps him jump and does not tare so much of the back as the anguleted dogs dó hé is really nice beutiful thick coat|
by duke1965 on 08 April 2012 - 11:32
|thanks.I keep my eye on several males of this breeding and have a female for myself|
by brynjulf on 08 April 2012 - 15:04
|OK I have to say something. ( i normal stay out of the straight back thing but...) This is a really nice dog BUT he does not have a straight back he has a broken topline. If you look you will see he is in two seperate pieces . Myret this dog has TONS of rear angulation. I really think you are a bit confused as to what angulation is. I tried like heck to hold my tongue but it had to be mentioned. This dog has as much or more rear than the dogs you dislike so much. That said he looks like a really nice dog Not trying to hurt anyones feelings here just trying to help Myret with conformation. I'm sort of thinking it is the croup and turn of stifle that you don't like in show lines. I can't be positive but I think that might be more what you don't like than angulation? just guessing of course|
by Abby Normal on 08 April 2012 - 15:29
|I disagree that he has a broken topline. I think that the break you are talking about is I think caused by fur. I say this because I have a male who if he raises his ruff in extreme excitement can look very similar. A broken topline usually shows up further down the back and looks like a 'hinge'. JMO though.|
I do agree that the dog has a significant amount of rear angulation, any more would be too extreme for me, especially for his type. I would have thought that there would have to be SL in there somewhere to account for that angulation. A very nice dog, and I think he has a very good topline, though you can't see his croup very well because of his excited state.
by myret on 08 April 2012 - 15:57
|Brynjulf I not sure I understand broken topline ?? My english is not that good but I dó see that hé is angulated and not built like a malinois because that is the built I préfer and no I dont want a mal just like Thère atlehtic look. But I know hé is not built like a dobernann or mal|
by myret on 08 April 2012 - 16:00
|Brynjulf I appreciate the way you are explaining yourself without being nasty :-)|
by brynjulf on 08 April 2012 - 16:06
|Abby pointed out it could just be his fur ( if his hackles are raised?) Anyhow if it is not his fur start at his head and go down his back. You will see three distinct sections on his back. The first one is just behind his collar, then there is a large bump above his shoulder, now just behind this there is another large lump ( where I would consider the loss of a straight back) out of this large lump is where you see the straight line on his back begin.|
If you make an egg shape and transpose it over his rib area to his front you will see the break in his topline. This area should be straight. Broken simply means there is a "break" in this continuous line. OK that makes sense in my head now will it transfer into the written word LOL
by SitasMom on 08 April 2012 - 16:27
how does he look in a stack pose?
by duke1965 on 08 April 2012 - 16:47
|sitasmum , I dont care so much for stcked pics . I like a natural position|
here is his father in a naturl position , a little different topline I would say
sorry it is the left dog I thought this were separate pictures
by BlackthornGSD on 08 April 2012 - 17:00
|You seem to be saying that there is what is commonly called a dip behind the withers--this is where the spinus processes reverse directions and several large muscular attachments fasten along the back.|
It is less desirable to have a visible dip here, but it isn't usually considered a "break" in the topline. It is common in the workingline dogs, especially, because they have a shorter coat and "bunchier" muscling, in general, than dogs bred for the show ring. I've heard that doing more trotting exercise with a dog to build up the muscles used in trotting will often help smooth out the appearance of this dip.
by BlackthornGSD on 08 April 2012 - 17:09
by SitasMom on 08 April 2012 - 17:58
duke1965 - both photos you posted are of dogs in stacked positions.
the first, which is a trained natural stack in decent for positioning, but a little stretched (the farthest hock should be 90^ vertical from the ground,
the other is horrible, the dog's hock is flat on the ground as if the owenr is trying to show more slope on the back then she really has.
the challenge is for you to get a photo of YOUR dog in such a position - then you can post (or boast) straight back german shephed.
by myret on 08 April 2012 - 18:02
by duke1965 on 08 April 2012 - 18:08
|sitasmom , your off a bit , the first of originaltopic is not stacked. and the father is no trained natural stack , sorry , but a picture of my IPO2 trail exercise stand out of motion , the black female , I wrote , accidently came with the pickture of my male as they had pups together once , so still I dont stack my dogs, sorry|
by aaykay on 08 April 2012 - 22:07
|Beautiful dog, duke1965. Good working structure. None of the sinking rear-end there, and that is a good thing.|
by SitasMom on 08 April 2012 - 23:28
i have also trained my dogs to "stand in motion" and in the stack position..... the stack is the position that a dog is in... as show in the photo before. its not that difficult to do.
as far as my actual comment(s) on your dog or the others, I haven't really given many, except for the evicence of yours being a bit cowhocked...
when a dog is "bridged" as yours is in the first photo, its back is actually curved downward, making it apear very flat, shich it may or may not be.
by Rik on 09 April 2012 - 11:29
|This is an action photo of the dog and I don't see much benefit in trying to critique as a "show" stack.|
anyway, looks like a very handsome dog with quite a bit of attention to less noticiable details in his breeding, pasterns are strong, feet look very nice and tight, angles are nice without being over done or over long bones in the rear. I think the fur is ruffled up on the neck/wither area, so probably not a true look at back.
overall, a very nice dog and congrats to his breeder.