German Shepherd Dog > What does a straight back gsd and roach back dog look like (162 replies)
What does a straight back gsd and roach back dog look like
by myret on 27 March 2012 - 15:25
|I read alot about many says what and why the gsd has a roached back and angulated hindlegs and it always comes up that only the showlines that is roached or have the banana back I dó disagree it is rare to to find a really straight back dog with No angulated hindlegs just like when you see a rottweiler or Mali How and what would you define A's roached and not roached ????? Please put In pics of dogs that you Think is not roached and dogs that are to over anguled or dogs that is roached|
by Sunsilver on 27 March 2012 - 15:41
|Here ya go. Linda Shaw does an excellent job with her sketches: http://www.shawlein.com/2011/09/21/192/|
by trixx on 27 March 2012 - 17:02
|ok , i have a showline that is very straight back - jasmine is her name-|
here is also a my male he is what i would call alittle roach-
by myret on 27 March 2012 - 17:41
Yes I agree both dogs have the roach but when I read and talk to people many says that there gsd does not have the roached back and angulated hindlegs ispecially those who have working lines sorry but I rarely see a straight back working lige maybe they dont have the exstreme roached back as showlines but they are on there way and they certainly do have the over angulated legs
by trixx on 27 March 2012 - 17:41
|now this is a picture of a very roach back or banana back, i cant stand to look at this one-|
i prefer to have the straight back showlines, very little roach as possible.
i hope this has helped you...
by Blitzen on 27 March 2012 - 20:07
by Ibrahim on 27 March 2012 - 20:20
|Oh my God, she looks like a Camel, Trixx is that picture true and not photoshopped? How could the breeder/owner dare to show her !!!|
by yellowrose of Texas on 27 March 2012 - 20:35
Myret: Look at the difference in backs on both...TOP is Rex from Bruno v arminius showline most of the pedigree with a slight noticeable roach...NOT a whole lot but enough to be noticed.
Chelsie on bottom....old west German WL /mom is Black Queen von der Held , back to Vedor. Orthos and Nick v Lascher-Haus.....straighter back
Raydo is from Uran v Wildsteigerland/ Lava v Korbelbach/ grand dam and grand sire and has a perfectly straight back
by Abby Normal on 27 March 2012 - 20:48
|OMG that poor, poor dog. Who can think that can possibly be right......and who gets to live in that body the rest of its life?|
This is why IMO the correct STRAIGHT back should only be bred for and only ever rewarded, because there will always be some $%^%* idiot out there that will just go more and more extreme......and this is what you get. And they were PROUD of it! Shame on the breeder. Shame on any judge that allowed this poor dog to remain in the ring.
What a travesty, and how sad.
by Ibrahim on 27 March 2012 - 20:53
by Sunsilver on 27 March 2012 - 21:01
|Ibrahim, I have a whole collection of dog photos which look almost as bad as that. Almost all of them come from the ads people post on this site. As a matter of fact, that same photo is one of the ones in my file.|
If someone were trying to sell a dog, do you think they would not try to remove some of that arch if they were going to bother photoshopping?
Some people insist it's the stack, but a dog with a true roach will look even worse when stacked, as most people make the dog lower its hindquarters, thus exaggerating the roach.
As Linda Shaw says in the text that accompanies the diagrams I linked to, the roach is often accompanied by a steep croup.
The reverse is not always true, though. One of the worst, most deformed looking dogs in my file is not roached, but has a very horrible 'broken' topline, which the handler has made look even worse by placing him in an extreme stack!
by Ibrahim on 27 March 2012 - 21:16
|Oh Sunsilver, I wish I never saw this last one it is even worse than the previous one, he really looks terrible, I only wish he doesn't have pain in his spine, the poor thing, no animal deserves to come to life with such a abnormal back, that is an ill extreme.|
by EuroShepherd on 27 March 2012 - 22:08
|Sunsilver, wow I've never seen that pic before, I'm saving it for my collection also. |
I'd love to see your whole collection of pics. I have a huge collection too, I'm putting mine on a restricted access website (have to have a code to view the pages) When It's halfway finished I'll share the code with you and we can swap pics for our personal education.
by Abby Normal on 27 March 2012 - 22:17
If possible it is worse. That actually makes me feel sick, especially when you visualise the anatomy within and it's placement. My God.
by Von Ward Kennels on 27 March 2012 - 22:34
|One of my pups from my stock. Her mom is even less angulated (even though she is not) but a little angulation is good in the back legs for performance. When I say a little, I really mean what most people would consider no angulation at all. She is American line x czech.|
by ggturner on 27 March 2012 - 22:47
One of my females (above) with a slight roach. My male (below) with a straight back.
by ggturner on 27 March 2012 - 22:52
My youngest female with a straight back.
by joanro on 27 March 2012 - 22:58
|Ibrahim, that's the logical result of breeding extreme to extreme. There are a lot of good SL dog's out there, but they are usually the ones over looked by judges.|
by Von Ward Kennels on 27 March 2012 - 23:08
|The over angulated GSD wins the show. Then the owners parade their winning dogs around in front of people who are not aware of what to look at in the breed and think that they do not like the GSD because the ones who win shows are walking around dragging thier back feet from over anulation.|
Drives me crazy!
We not only need to address this issue of roached backs but when you look closely at an over angulated dog, you will see it can't pick up its back feet properly.
by Ibrahim on 27 March 2012 - 23:19
|that I agree with joanro and I am pro educating new members as well as older members on the correct structure of the GSD and I value your contribution on this issue, what I don't agree to is generalization which may lead to assuming all showlines or working lines are incorrect in structure.|