German Shepherd Dog > Roach Back vs Straight Back - show (112 replies)
by VonIsengard on 31 March 2012 - 03:25
"It's wiser to critique your own dog than to have some breed judge tell you your working dog doesn't have enough rear angulation, or steep enough croup."
I respectfully disagree also. I think it's patently unwise to have your dogs only critiqued by yourself.
Maybe your working dog does not have enough rear angulation for some show judges, maybe the croup is steep. So? Plenty of SG, even V, kkl1 dogs who are excellent workers have those faults. Acceptable faults do not make a dog unbreedworthy. Identifying those faults makes the owner/breeder aware of their dogs' weaknesses in order to choose the most suitable breeding partners.
Some judges will not have the same taste as others. Go before a judge who has similar taste to your own if you care about rating, or go just because you will value their opinion more than another judge.
No one says you have to breed to what wins, if it's not the type you're going for. I find many of the dogs I like very much are not always at the front of the ring. I could care less. Breed what complements your dog, and what your chosen type is within the standard. A dog need not be flawless to bring something special to the gene pool. The dog should, however, adhere to what defines the German Shepherd Dog.
by joanro on 31 March 2012 - 03:50
|Sorry, Von,I was using " not enough rear angulation and the croup not steep enough", as a theoretical example only. I don't show my dogs under breed judges for the reasons I gave. But I also do not go without the additional critique of very experienced " dog men", as I mentioned in my last post. What I was implying by not enough rear angulation was that generally, show judges like much more angulation than a work dog will have in comparison to a show dog.|
by e c street on 31 March 2012 - 08:02
|What happened to the subject "Roach Back vs. Straight Back"??? ecs|
by Red Sable on 31 March 2012 - 09:40
ecs, we have branched out. I think that subject was covered. Only so much you can say.
by joanro on 31 March 2012 - 12:17
|LOL, RS. That does tend to happen. A.D.D. or boredom...Could 'ave been the mention of "what happened to CALM ?" :)|
by joanro on 31 March 2012 - 13:21
|Vonlsengard, I want to apologize for not addressing earlier the last paragraph in you post. That was very well stated and I agree one hundred percent ! Thank you.|
by Von Savitch K9 on 31 March 2012 - 13:47
That dog on my site is not being promoted his illness came on about 3 months ago. I have spent many hours with him, he is my friend, my companion and he means alot to me. I havent not come to grips with the fact that he is sick and cant not be used. When I am ready I will move him onto another page. He is a product of all the showline/working breedings. When you select dogs for there looks only and forget the inner core of the dog that is what we get. You ask where the calmness has gone right out the window with the nerve and confidence keep breeding dogs so they all look the same same coat same colors that is what you get. This is the reason they personally attack me they know I am right deep down. I made gernerlized statement attacked no ones program no one dogs but they all felt the need to protect themselves and attack me thats guilt and thats fine.
by live4schutzhund on 31 March 2012 - 13:58
|Savitch - This link applies to you. I would say stop while your ahead, but your not even close. I get it dude. If you chage your "stance" you lose the very foundation that you built your business model on. Unfortunately, your business model is kinda like some guy in a garage somewhere slapping together a car out of second hand parts then telling everyone who drives a BMW that they are idiots and ruining the auto industry......|
by Von Savitch K9 on 31 March 2012 - 14:07
|Oh im ahead and you all know it your world if farce the sport has become politically correct but bums like you will prosper where people dont know any better you have no idea what a REAL GERMAN SHEPERD is.|
As far as my customers and employees dont worrie my market can never be touch by you or your dogs. Your not even in the converssation.
by live4schutzhund on 31 March 2012 - 14:25
|Savitch - I think you need a hug. |
I try to find the best in people as I get older. I used to be very blunt and mean. Now just blunt with humor and try to throw in some kindness and human decency. My posts have tried to give some self awareness and some sound business advice. Some of it is highly compressed so you have to really read it to understand. It is very frustrating arguing with someone that cant even realizing they are losing the argument. Like watching Jerry Springer.
Are there ways to re-invent? Sure. The core of your business model is broken. You really need to trust me when I tell you this....
Again.....virtual hug! Tight squeeze, pat on the back, genuine smile . Firm, trusting, manly gaze.....Shhhh, dont talk. Its gonna be ok. Dont look at my ass as I walk away.
by Blitzen on 31 March 2012 - 14:54
by Linda J Shaw on 20 April 2012 - 01:01
Would it be possible to email the video file of the gaiting VA female? I'd like to do a frame by frame skeletal analysis.
Thanks in advance.
Linda J Shaw
by Ibrahim on 20 April 2012 - 06:10
|Yes sure, for you I will be happy to do any service and it is my pleasure, today when I'm back from work I'll do it.|