German Shepherd Dog > Roach Back vs Straight Back - show (112 replies)
by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 22:52
The German Shepherd should appear poised, calm, self confident, absolutely at ease, and (except when agitated) good natured, but also attentive and willing to serve. He must have courage, fighting drive, and hardness in order to serve as companion, watchdog, protection dog, service dog, and herding dog.
The correct coat for the German Shepherd is a stock coat (outer and under coat). The top coat should be as tight as possible, straight, coarse, and clinging closely to the undercoat. The head, including the inside of the ears, the front of the legs, the paws, and toes have short hair. Neck hair is longer and thicker. On the rear side of the legs, hair length increases downward to the pastern and hock. The rear of the thighs is covered show moderate "pants".
Black with reddish brown, brown, tan to light-grey markings. Solid black, grey with darker overcast, black saddle and mask. Inconspicuous small white chest markings, as well as lighter pigment on the inside of the legs is permitted, but not desirable. All dogs, no matter what their color, must have black noses.
Missing mask, light to white markings on the chest and inner leg sides, light toenails, and a red tail tip are signs of faulty pigmentation. Undercoat has a slight grey cast. White is not permissible.
by live4schutzhund on 30 March 2012 - 22:55
|Savitch, bare with me..|
Have you ever immitated your wife/girlfriend when she was pissed at you thinking she couldnt hear you...but she did, then laid into you some more?
Read that post out loud but like your significant other was reaming your ass with scarcasm and the evil eyes....ooh and do it in the mirror so you get all the facial expressions.
Then, you will get it my friend. You will indeed.
by VonIsengard on 30 March 2012 - 22:56
|A direct quote from the United Schutzhund Clubs of America website. Are you ackowledging, then, that an organization promoting mere schutzhund, a sport for "average" dogs (as you put it), correctly defines character?|
by VonIsengard on 30 March 2012 - 22:58
|live4, it actually wasn't that sarcastic- it was genuine. Titles are a starting point only for measuring a well balanced, breed quality dog for many (certainly not all) breeders.|
by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 23:01
well obviously neither of you can answer the questions. Keep telling yourselfs your doing something right when everything you do is wrong. Some people will never get it and now I know two of them. Im done dealing with your ignorance you are makeing show dogs from working stock a dog intended for nothing other than service.
by live4schutzhund on 30 March 2012 - 23:01
|I know, just trying to get him to get it. It did have some fire in it though.|
by VonIsengard on 30 March 2012 - 23:03
|I did answer you. Repeatedly. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.|
by live4schutzhund on 30 March 2012 - 23:05
|Cmon man lol. Don't be that way. I stayed at work an extra two hours for this. . But hey, I missed traffic.|
by beetree on 30 March 2012 - 23:15
|I think the word you were looking for was: facetious.|
Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
That was you with that B ukelele, YouTube vid? I almost got banned in my house for listening to it!
by VonIsengard on 30 March 2012 - 23:17
|"Im done dealing with your ignorance"|
by Blitzen on 30 March 2012 - 23:37
|Me thinks someone just got BUSTED!!!!|
by Blitzen on 30 March 2012 - 23:50
by Von Savitch K9 on 31 March 2012 - 00:16
|None of you get it no wonder things are the way are.|
by Red Sable on 31 March 2012 - 00:18
|Anyone notice the word CALM in the Standard concerning character of a GSD?|
Where did the calm GSD go? Just wondering. And what/who is responsible for it's disappearance?
As for the rest, we've been through this all before and I've read previous posts by many of you, where you have agreed with many of the points Joseph is making.
The showring is to blame for many of the issues, and IMO Schutzhund and the pursuit of high drives is to blame for the missing CALM factor.
We all (me included) pick out the parts of the Standard we agree with and forget about the rest of it. I'd venture to say all of us, would like to change at least one thing in the Standard to suit our personal tastes of what a GSD should be.
Mine would be the tight coat.
by live4schutzhund on 31 March 2012 - 01:32
|Blitzen - yup i got busted. |
Isendgard, I admire your effective use of words.
Savitch...I dunno dude. If I were you, to protect your kennel and your potential future clients you might want to separate your web visibility if your going to post on this board. If you dont know what I am talking about then I cant help you, and you shouldnt be in business of any kind, for yourself anyway. If you have the least bit of loyalty or obligation to what employees you may have, disconnect your kennel from your friggen profile you use to post..
Red Sable- Like very much this statement you made for its intelligent truth.
"We all (me included) pick out the parts of the Standard we agree with and forget about the rest of it. I'd venture to say all of us, would like to change at least one thing in the Standard to suit our personal tastes of what a GSD should be."
It has been many years since I really got into these discussions. Age and priorities I guess. In it now though, fun times.
by joanro on 31 March 2012 - 01:43
|RS, good questions. You could have a whole new thread/debate on where did the "calm" go? The various disciplines mold the breed. The purpose of the show ring and schH have become distorted and are a detriment to the breed instead of a positive influence as originally intended. That's why many breeders are not placing as much emphases on putting schH titles on their dogs (working dogs), it's just not an accurate barometer of the quality of the dog anymore. The show ring has lost it's validity to many as well, just look at what the judges have created breed wide through their choices. It's wiser to critique your own dog than to have some breed judge tell you your working dog doesn't have enough rear angulation, or steep enough croup.|
by live4schutzhund on 31 March 2012 - 01:56
I dunno. Agree and disagree. Lets look at it from the point of view of making sound decisions based on data, less reactive with blanket statements.
Schutzhund is a proven test. Scoring high in trials probably as political for WL people as placing best in show for SL people. I would not discount schutzhund nor opinions of sv judges overall though. Maybe if many people say a dog is not fit for schutzhund, it isn't. Maybe if many judges say your dog is well outside the standard, it is.
Your last sentence, disagree completely.
"It's wiser to critique your own dog than to have some breed judge tell you your working dog doesn't have enough rear angulation, or steep enough croup."
I talk about it here.
Your post seems so nice, please don't think I am attacking you or anything, simply disagree.
by Blitzen on 31 March 2012 - 02:35
|Live4, I didn't mean YOU!!! Your posts are hilarious.|
by Blitzen on 31 March 2012 - 02:39
|Savitch, I just have to ask - why are you promoting a dog with grand mal seizures as a potential stud dog?|
by joanro on 31 March 2012 - 02:53
|Thank you, live4. I saw your post earlier, and I disagree with your breeder friend making the blanket statement on what attracts people to breeding wd. I don't know where he is, what country, but the people I know who breed wd aren't doing it because it's cheap or for an alternative to an unaffordable more expensive line, such as show. They do it because it's their choice, they truly love them, have "passion" for the working line and invest heart and soul into it. If it was left up to breeding WLs in accordance to dog show judging, the line would have the same structural problems seen in the SL at a much higher rate of occurrence than already present. Not to down play the importance of being able to honestly and accurately evaluate a dog's structure, but it is not rocket science. I also don't want to inadvertently support your breeder friend's statement that the WL attract people who think they know it all. Almost anyone, after fifty years making a living in varying capacities with dogs can figure out how to apply a breed standard when evaluating a dog's structure. I trust the experienced "dog man" a thousand times more than I would a breed judge considering the mess the breed judges have perpetrated over the last couple decades.|