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by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 18:38 |
| http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=609227 Follow the link this dog belongs to me you will be hard pressed to find any holes in his Pedigree. I paid $3000.00 at 8 weeks old vested another 2000 hours of training only to end up with a GSD that suffers from Grand Mal sezures he has to be medicaded twice a day for the rest of his lfe and can no longer work. My point being pedigree and titles and hips are not all there is to breeding I have been researching this pedigree now to try and find an answer as to why this breeding had issues. I say this because I have found other dogs from this pairing that suffer from sezures also. And incase anyone is wondering I informed the breeder of the situation and his answer was there in no genetic link so as far as he is concerned breeding this animal is ok. I disagree the dog is to be neutered what ever the problem is it will not be perpetuated from Savitch K9 |
Von Savitch K9 by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 18:46 |
| blitzen how old would you like to see them in a breeding program? My oldest dog is 11 not on my site because he is not part of the program I have had GSD live past 14. The pic in the avatar is a sketch and was a gift. |
by VonIsengard on 30 March 2012 - 19:19 |
| If I'm going to be told by a WL breeder that my dogs are responsible for the ruination of the breed, I would at least like to be told that by someone who adheres to a breeding system greater or at least equal to the one I adhere to. I'm not impressed by a SchH title alone, either. Far from it, in fact. But if schutzhund is such a weak and mediocre breed test, it should be ridiculously easy for such a genetically superior dog to obtain, yes? Additionally, it should be no problem at all to take five minutes to post said dogs' hip and elbow scores. I wonder, is it ego or kennel blindness that convinces a breeder that the standards in place for decades are not necessary for them, that they surely must know better what is best for the breed, they need not present their dogs, in anatomy or especially in work, before an unbiased expert for evaluation, that they themselves have all the expertise necessary? I'll remember that next time I'm dragging my lazy self out of bed at the crack of dawn to go tracking, spend my whole day off and half a tank of gas driving to a decoy, or dragging my fat, pregnant self around a schutzhund field this summer so I can title then breed my dog that I simply wasting my time, the judge knows nothing, my dogs are garbage, I should leave the breed in the hands of the real experts who don't need a measly breed standard. |
VonIsengard by joanro on 30 March 2012 - 19:28 |
| Blitzen, I'm going to say what I'm about to say because of your accusing me of, putting it simply, hating SLs. First, I don't hate them, I hate what has happened to them caused by attitudes seen in posts on these threads: Deny and defend what is going on in the line. Second, it seems that there is a lot of scrutinizing to the point of acting like gestapo regarding websites .. all for hopefully discrediting some one with working dogs. If there is indeed only one gsd, then it seems that a germanshepherd is a germanshepherd is a..... You get the point? Why then, would it matter whether it's a pic of a SL or a WL. Seems you have more issue with working dogs than is reasonable for someone who points a finger at anyone who is not on your bandwagon. |
by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 20:07 |
| VonIsengard Breed Standard you forgot the first and most important part, Character or the inner core of the dog. What do you have to offer there. |
by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 20:11 |
| And also if you are not impressed with shutz titles then please elaborate on how you test your dogs |
by VonIsengard on 30 March 2012 - 20:41 |
| Schutzhund is, in my opinion, the minimum assessment for character. From there, it's a breeder's responsibility to weed through dogs who only technically qualify, identify who truly does, and which dogs possess the traits the breeder desires for their program. I saw your ad for $1500-$2500 pups from what appears, on the PDB, to be untitled dogs. Couldn't find hip ratings, either, when I searched OFA and the SV site. Have you not entered the information yet, here or on your website? Perhaps I made a mistake when I looked on the sites? Surely a breeder striving to produce quality working dogs would not overlook such a basic health screening. |
by live4schutzhund on 30 March 2012 - 20:47 |
| http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=175156&pagen=8#175840
Is that double posting?
 What that guy said. ================================> |
live4schutzhund by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 21:13 |
| I see you can not answer my questions you wish to continually question me. All my dogs have prelims done at around 12 months 95% of issues show by then the one that show later are enviormental issues. I do not title my dogs The trial does not resemble what was set fourt by the SV back in the early 1900s it has been watered down to accomodate the avg dog. I have answered everyones questions why dont you answer mine. |
by Blitzen on 30 March 2012 - 21:19 |
Joanro, what are you talking about? |
Blitzen by VonIsengard on 30 March 2012 - 21:27 |
| I did answer you, clearly it was not the answer you wanted to hear. So, up to $2500 from untitled, uncertified parents. Pot, meet kettle. |
by Blitzen on 30 March 2012 - 21:32 |
I really wish showline people would go find another breed. THIS IS A WORKING DOG first and formost and should be breed accordingly. If things kep going the way the are the GSD will be gone forever. Savitch, I was just wondering what gave you the right to say the above. Now I know. |
by Runag on 30 March 2012 - 21:55 |
| Von Savitch K9 it's funny that the logo you use in this forum is made up of drawings of some very showline looking dogs. Look at the stance! Just saying! |
Runag by live4schutzhund on 30 March 2012 - 22:01 |
I know right!  |
by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 22:29 |
| You did not answer any question and anyone reading this thread can see that, if shutzhund is the minum assesement of character ( your words) again I ask you then how do you test your dogs and what are you testing for. It's ok I have my answers you know nothing about this breed. If you have a title and x-rays your good. Someday showline people will have their lines that do not mix with the GSD ( I hope and Prey every Day) and your lines will wither away in a decade when you can go back to the preverable well THE WORKING LINE GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG. Get off the avatar sketch is was done by children in my family. But it interested that when all you folks see and over angulated dog you identify it with showlines nice so do I. |
by live4schutzhund on 30 March 2012 - 22:34 |
| Whats the word I am looking for...I think she was being sarcastic when she said that. Like thats the minimum, like she does that already, then the other stuff. Sarcastic isn't right I think, theres a word for it though. She intentionally downplaying schutzhund showing it as her MINIMUM requirement. Meaning....all her dogs have it before bred. |
by Von Savitch K9 on 30 March 2012 - 22:42 |
| live4shutzhund your wrong that would have been a good way not to answer me but read her other post. If I'm going to be told by a WL breeder that my dogs are responsible for the ruination of the breed, I would at least like to be told that by someone who adheres to a breeding system greater or at least equal to the one I adhere to. I'm not impressed by a SchH title alone, either. Far from it, in fact. But if schutzhund is such a weak and mediocre breed test, it should be ridiculously easy for such a genetically superior dog to obtain, yes? Additionally, it should be no problem at all to take five minutes to post said dogs' hip and elbow scores. I wonder, is it ego or kennel blindness that convinces a breeder that the standards in place for decades are not necessary for them, that they surely must know better what is best for the breed, they need not present their dogs, in anatomy or especially in work, before an unbiased expert for evaluation, that they themselves have all the expertise necessary? I'll remember that next time I'm dragging my lazy self out of bed at the crack of dawn to go tracking, spend my whole day off and half a tank of gas driving to a decoy, or dragging my fat, pregnant self around a schutzhund field this summer so I can title then breed my dog that I simply wasting my time, the judge knows nothing, my dogs are garbage, I should leave the breed in the hands of the real experts who don't need a measly breed standard. |
by Runag on 30 March 2012 - 22:46 |
| It is the (media) standard for the German Shepherd - instantly recognisable by all. The working line dogs seem to come in all shapes, colours and sizes. Everyone talks about the showline dogs and they would appear to mostly be black and tan with traditional black saddle - what is the standard for the working line if they are so different. I am genuinely interested, not being sarcastic. |
by live4schutzhund on 30 March 2012 - 22:48 |
Savitch, same thing. She says the dog has to have MORE than a ScH title. But at the minimum, a Sch title. The whole post IS that word I am looking for.....Thats bugging me as well that I cant think of it write now. Patronizing? I think thats it. Getting close though. Anyway, she does value Sch titles....as the minimum though. Get it? Hard to explain someone's well written sarcasm. Was good though. |
by VonIsengard on 30 March 2012 - 22:48 |
| "Get off the avatar sketch is was done by children in my family." Raise your hand if you've seen that particular piece of artwork all over the internet and at dog shows on everything from T-shirts to trivets for years. live4, thank you. Someone with reading comprehension. In looking at a stud dog, I would also consider a dog titled in FR, mondio, or a K9 certified by an accredited organization (not just some random wannabe "K9" trainer- those are EVERYWHERE) in lieu of a schutzhund title, if the dog also had cleared hips/elbows, anatomy free of disqualifying faults, etc. I haven't used one yet, but I would certainly consider one. I do NOT think, "Oooooo, look at the shiny black and red SchH3 dog! Let's make puppies!". It's simply a baseline requirement for what I'm looking for, and I am far from the only SL breeder who sees it that way. Maybe I'm wrong. Are your dogs titled in any of the aforementioned areas? If so, my apologies. Again, I did not see such on the PDB or your website. Then again, it must be out-of-date as you list the dog you claimed here to have severe health problems as a stud dog. I get behind on my site sometimes, too. EDIT: Savitch, kindly put quotations around my words on your post. I'd like credit for my own opinions, along with my own spelling and grammar. Thanks. |
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