German Shepherd Dog > Breeder's code of ethics (70 replies)
by Mel62368 on 29 March 2012 - 13:51
|Thanks for posting!! Very imformative.. |
by darylehret on 29 March 2012 - 15:34
by Blitzen on 29 March 2012 - 15:50
|I can give you some examples of US SL breeders who are selling dogs to other US breeders who breed and show. Working line breeders will have to be provided by someone else.|
Toni Brezel, Nadia Adams, Philip Eram, Yuliya Matveyeva, Charlie Starr, Kim Rall, Megan Judge, Heather Quinn, Donna Waldschmidt, John Walicki, Cynthia McMahan, Robert Kindberg, Sabrina Abbott, John Henkel, Jose Diaz, Rebecca Buchman, Yum Kee Fu, Tammy Langley, Patty Parks, Gayle Kirkwood, Edison Davalos, Helen Gleason, Bill Fleischer, Mittlewest,. These are from a recent show catalog and memory and I'm sure there are others I don't know.
by darylehret on 29 March 2012 - 16:07
I'm sorry, I know as much about showlines as you do workinglines, and they were furthest from my thoughts. Seriously.
by Blitzen on 29 March 2012 - 16:48
|I neglected to mention a few WL breeders I learned of in NC last week. Thomas Shroder (sp?) and Margaret Arabia. One of Arabia's dog earned his "V" rating and Shroder's male, 4th generation of his breeding, was used as the demo dog. I understand his WL dogs are popular with buyers.|
I should also add Steve Miller to this list, a breeder who often places WL's and SL's he has bred with people who show and use his dogs for breeding.
I hope none of these breeders object to my mentioning them here.
by darylehret on 29 March 2012 - 19:16
|Do they have kennel names? I mean, if you're going to tell me these are serious breeders, then they probably have at least that, and some kind of evidence they are developing a continuous bloodline (with the inclusion of another USA breeder's bloodline). And do more than SHOW, I hope.|
by Gusmanda on 29 March 2012 - 19:57
|One of the bad things about being a breeder in the U.S., is it's difficult to get a solid feel for how YOU are producing in your own program. Only a third to a half of my puppy buyers express their desire to get involved in a working venue, and many of THOSE never do. That many or less even submit their AKC papers AT ALL for registration, and fewer still xray hips/elbows for OFA. That's a huge disadvantage to standing breeders and their future generations.|
Couldn't agree more, it seems on this size of the pond not only do most buyers not xray, they are also not interested in titling/working their dogs. If you have all or most of your litter competing or working, it is easier. Otherwise lines just get lost.
by Blitzen on 30 March 2012 - 02:03
|Daryl, I'm not going to look up every single kennel name and list it here. Would you recognize the SL's|
anyway? As for the workinglines, those breeders are very well known in the GSD working world and I'd have thought you would recognize them and know their kennel names. Have you never heard of Steve Miller and Thomas Shroder?
No doubt about it, it takes a very long time to establish a reputation that will attract other breeders/trainers. That has always been one of the things that puzzled me the most about this breed, why don't more US breeders support other US breeders when there are more than a few breeding some very good dogs. Other breeds do, why not the GSD? Beats me. I don't get it either.
by darylehret on 30 March 2012 - 04:31
For some breeders, perhaps because of egos that serve only the best interest of themselves, their need for recognition, and to fuel their condescending air of superiority. (To some, it would appear that I've just described myself, haha) I have no illusions though, about the unimpressive appearance of my activities, and I can accept that. I breed the dogs that please me, personally, and I don't expect to "fit in" or set any precedents here. Impressively, the showline side of the breed appears to collaborate more effectively, and my limited experience would suggest that the GSDCA type american bred lines also do so. That's a whole 'nother world altogether, though. And, in my mind, another breed in itself.
by Blitzen on 30 March 2012 - 13:10
You may not have any respect for the SL/other breed altogether breeders, Daryl, but they do health test, xray and title their dogs because they want to make it to the working class and earn a V rating. To most of the GSD world, that does demonstrate a good faith effort to breed the best they can.
by CAR on 26 July 2012 - 13:58
|I have a Co-Ownership question.|
We had contacted several breeders about purchasing a new puppy. Most of the prices were more than we wanted to spend at the time. On one call to a breeder (who is an AKC Breeder of Merit), she mentioned that she had a pup that she was thinking about doing a possible co-ownership of her pedigree. She had kept this dog from a litter for possible future show quality but had too many other pups to handle. She said she told us the price and we went for a visit. We liked the pup and paid her, She required a 7 day trial period. There was NO contract and we thought that after the seven days we would get one. The only thing that happened on the 7thday was she cashed our check with no contract on Co-Ownership? She has the litter number from the sire/dam that we would need for registration, and the breeder thinks she is a co-owner? We have no contract, and she cashed our check? I am under the impression the dog is ours 100% now. We asked for this documentation numerous times and not gotten it before she cashed the check.
Written on the check was payment for said dog, no mention of co-ownership etc……
My question is I do not believe this is a co-ownership after the breeder took payment without any type of contract….
We have no intention of breeding this pup as he is a house pet, but would like to register him with the AKC , but I do not have the litter number…..
We live in Virginia and I also believe she is in violation of the below VA Animal law as we received no registration numbers of parents.
§ 3.2-6512. Sale without pet dealer's animal history certificate violation of Consumer Protection Act; contents of certificate
It shall be a violation of the Virginia Consumer Protection Act (§ 59.1-196 et seq.) for any pet dealer to sell a dog or cat within the Commonwealth stating, promising or representing that the animal is registered or capable of being registered with any animal pedigree registry organization, without providing the consumer with a pet dealer's animal history certificate at the time the consumer takes possession of the dog or cat. The pet dealer's animal history certificate shall be signed by the pet dealer, his agent or employee, and shall contain the following information:
1. The animal's breed, sex, age, color, and birth date;
2. The name and address of the person from whom the pet dealer purchased the animal;
3. The breeder's name and address;
4. The name and registration number of the animal's parents;
5. If the animal has been so examined, the date on which the animal has been examined by a licensed veterinarian, the name and address of such veterinarian, and a brief statement of any findings made; and
6. A statement of all vaccinations administered to the animal, including the identity and quantity of the vaccine, and the name and address of the person or licensed veterinarian administering or supervising the vaccinations.
The information contained in the pet dealer's animal history certificate required herein shall be informative only, and the pet dealer shall not be responsible in any manner for the accuracy of such information unless he knows or has reason to know that such information is erroneous.
A copy of the pet dealer's animal history certificate signed by the consumer shall be maintained by the pet dealer for a period of one year following the date of sale.
We don’t want a legal fight we just want the dog……..Any ideas????