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inbreeding , your thoughts on this future combination by duke1965 on 23 March 2012 - 17:15 |
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by vomtreuenhaus on 23 March 2012 - 17:24 |
| What would be the purpose of doing such a close breeding? |
vomtreuenhaus by duke1965 on 23 March 2012 - 17:35 |
| bringing stability and predictability in the offspring for future breeding , locking in great qualities and health the full litter the linebreeding is doubling up on (GILA/GRAUCHO and other littermates) are all official HD A ED0 perfect spine and all with very good workingqualities |
by macrowe1 on 23 March 2012 - 17:35 |
| Why so much "linebreeding"? Just thought I'd ask, I mean, two or three dogs, may be 4-5 back I'm ok with. But that's a bunch of dogs, all the way to 2-3 |
macrowe1 by macrowe1 on 23 March 2012 - 17:36 |
| any are there any titles on the dogs in question? hip scores? |
by duke1965 on 23 March 2012 - 17:45 |
| macrowe , father is hips elbows and spine perfect as are all his littermates , same goes for his mother AXA jistr , hips elbows and spine perfect as are all her littermates , Gabo mersak Hips and elbows clear , same on mothersside father will be KNPV PH1 mother IPO , mother is prelimb perfect , will be official before mating Jupp z Jenive IPO 3 HD 0/0 and has superproduction on hips and elbows |
by myret on 23 March 2012 - 18:26 |
| very nice . |
myret by Gustav on 23 March 2012 - 18:38 |
| I like the breeding for setting a type to then go to West dogs...lol....the only concern I would have is maybe the strong lines to Axa....but that is outweighed by the overall good! |
by Two Moons on 23 March 2012 - 18:58 |
| tunnel vision. |
Two Moons by Blitzen on 23 March 2012 - 23:42 |
Good luck with the litter, duke! |
Blitzen by duke1965 on 24 March 2012 - 03:10 |
| thanks , will be next year at soonest |
by Mike D on 24 March 2012 - 03:35 |
| I remember Prager advising NOT to line breed on Tom because of poor hip production from Klara. I don't know myself...I only remember it because I have a Tom grandson. FWIW. Mike |
Mike D by Gustav on 24 March 2012 - 13:39 |
| I know these dogs Duke is breeding because I have owned and trained these lines....this is very nice stuff. It would produce generally a very strong working type.....but I also like to diversify the genebase after I establish strength in what I want....so Duke could definitely give me a female for breeding out of this litter.....LOL Really, nice breeding. |
by live4schutzhund on 24 March 2012 - 13:47 |
| The male is already 2-3 on Tom z Pohranicni Straze Female is an outcross. Have you bred the male to unrelated line to see if he throws his type? Puppies could be awesome or lack vitality. I think it would be one way or the other with little variation among puppies considering the close breeding. |
live4schutzhund by Nans gsd on 24 March 2012 - 15:15 |
| Since you are doubling up on certain dogs very closely related I would be sure that your health certf's are in order on both sire & dam as you are probably not able to check the dogs in the pedigree that you are doubling up on. HD/ED is minimum; I am really talking about DM first and foremost; thyroid, cardio, eyes as you CAN strengthen some things and double/triple up on health problems which you do not want. JMO Nan |
by Gustav on 24 March 2012 - 17:17 |
| For newer people, Duke 1965 is a long time successful breeder over the years. He is also very famiar with the stock he is using....this is not some ill thought out breeding whatsoever. Of course with every breeding you don't know til they arrive, but as far as due diligence is concerned about the stock.....he is well aware of the pluses and minuses. Just thought I would add this. |
by ziegenfarm on 24 March 2012 - 17:42 |
| i guess my question would be, "what next?" if you are doing an inbreeding such as this, you need to have the next step in mind somewhat before you do this breeding. you cannot continue inbreeding or linebreeding, so what blood would you hope to bring in with subsequent generations? i have no problem with inbreeding or close linebreeding so long as there is a plan in place and it is done with purpose --- such as to "set in" certain traits. no breeding (in my mind) can be thought of as an end result. you have to have a clear path ahead of you and some idea of how you will get there. :) pjp |
ziegenfarm by Gustav on 25 March 2012 - 01:52 |
| Like I said....I would take a puppy from this (female) and go to West working lines. I have already had a puppy out of a linebred Cordon female and bred to Sid vh Pixner.....the male was super!!! Currently patrol dog in NJ city. |
by ziegenfarm on 25 March 2012 - 23:26 |
| that would be an excellent choice for producing "real" dogs with working ability and a pretty fair amount of natural aggression. :) pjp |
by Gustav on 26 March 2012 - 00:22 |
| Exactly!!!and I owned this male until he was 18 months....he played with my grandchildren every Sunday when they came over.....no problem whatsoever. Strong but gentle, social but definitely a manstopper when finished the academy....my idea of the breed. |
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