German Shepherd Dog > Almost 2 years and no AKC Papers (84 replies)
by KennelvonArizona on 29 March 2012 - 02:21
|If the sire was an import it needed to have his DNA on file before the litter he sired was born.|
by Chaz Reinhold on 29 March 2012 - 02:31
|Didn't read anything but the first paragraph of the initial post. I always laugh at these. By the way, your dog is almost three if you got it in 09. But hey, take your time.|
by aceofspades on 29 March 2012 - 03:22
|Yes the Sire was DNA'd back in 2010, he is now Reg'd with AKC, this was why the papers were not supplied with the puppy. I knew and agreed to have them sent at a later date. *EDITED TO ADD* Wait......DNA is done before the litter is BORN? My impression is that it can be done after the birth, but that it just needs to be done before the litter and subsequently individual puppies, can be registered...|
Chaz why do you "always laugh at these"? That's an honest question, I am confused by your statement. Papers were not supplied at time of puppy delivery/pick up because sire had to have DNA test done as he was a German import. With my other dog papers were mailed later so I did not know that it is not standard practice to reieve registration a few months down the road. It was five months after I brought my other dog home that I got his CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) papers. Obviously I was naieve and this is a HUGE lesson learned for me. I will have in writing a satement as to when i can exect papers if i do not recieve them with the puppy. Prior to my two youngest GSDs (both bought in 2010) I have never owned a registered dog despite having owned a number of GSDs....I am still learning.
I made a mistake when I made the initial post, Janna was born in 2010 not 2009, she will be 2 a the end of June. I thought I had corrected it, but I was on my phone so I guess it did no correct.
Edited again to ask**
So Janna is an AKC import (as I am in Canada). IF I eventually were to breed her (no plans as of yet) do i have to have her DNA tested and then register her with the CKC? Does she have "dual citizenchip" (LOL) then? This is all new to me. If I show her in a CKC Conformation event my sister said she would go into an import category? Is that completely seperate from the other dogs, or is that just how she is registered wtih the show? I am not sure she would win any conformation show but my daughter would like to handle her just to learn and for fun....my daughter is 8. My sister was going to let my daughter use her Frenchie too. She was going to start to take handling classes soon.
by yellowrose of Texas on 29 March 2012 - 03:36
| ACCORDING TO AKC rules in usa., the stud is DNA when used so many times a year or if male has been studded a certain number of times by a certain age,,,,,NOT sure as been several yrs..|
When a stud has completed so many litters, akc requires you to have him DNA before the next litter. If you do not do it, then in order to register said litter, you have to submit his DNA> HOLDs up the litter until that time.
After DNA, not to prove anything but to be on file, then the litter is registered and papers issued..After that the stud can produce any number of litters.
An import has to be DNA before his papers or her papers are issued to new owner by AKC registering them in the USA>
I have no idea about CKC
by aceofspades on 29 March 2012 - 03:52
|OK....I understand now. Thanks YR for clarifying that. I beleive that the stud was never used for an AKC dam prior to this litter as my breeder selected him for a client and imported him himself for the client, and thus used him as a stud for his own breeding program. This is what I recall in conversation with the breeder. So it would not be unusual in this case to not do the DNA work prior to breeding or birth of the litter. Correct?|
thanks YR, and everyone for taking the time to answer my *probably* amateur questions. I still have a lot to learn and I want to be certain that this doesn't happen again.
by yellowrose of Texas on 29 March 2012 - 04:54
|When you import any dog all have to be dna...|
BUT when you breed you are aware of the rules and you have a log you keep ..AKC Rule> all BREEDINGS HAVE TO BE KEPT ON A LOG.
YOU KNOW how many times X stud has been bred or used. After so many in a year or if not by year then so may before the age of AKC rule., you have to send in and get that X stud dna.
IF you do not, the minute you send for a litter registration, AKC sends you a letter..sorry , but X stud needs to be DNA ed before we can register this litter. As soon as we receive X studs dna test and process it, we will send the litter papers for this litter..
YOU cannot breed another litter with X stud until he is DNA. NOW if you own a male and only use him one, two or 3 times in his life time you do not need to DNA him by AKC rules.
BUT we do DNA our studs to prove we are responsible breeders especially if we own two , three or four or more males on our premises..IT IS A CASE of , making sure no one questions you as to who the sire is of any litter you produce.
At any time , anyone buying a pup from you , may ask and request a DNA proof that the pup is sired by X stud or Y stud..IF you do not want to do it, you soon loose your reputation
by aceofspades on 29 March 2012 - 05:01
|thanks, that was an excellent explanation of the DNA process. I was unclear as to what exactly the DNA process was.|
by aceofspades on 02 May 2012 - 18:56
|I am happy to report that the signed transfer of ownership were in my mailbox today. Now I can breathe easy knowing that Janna is registered and MY dog!!|
Despite all of the back and forth on this forum, I am grateful for all of the great information I have recieved. I have had GSDs for 15 years now and still consider myself an amateur, and definitely where registered dogs are concerned. I would not have known how to proceed had it not been for those who took the time out to provide information and/or private message me with helpful tips!!
Thanks again. I am happy now!!
by beetree on 02 May 2012 - 19:07
|WOO HOO! And a Hallelujah!|
by Blitzen on 02 May 2012 - 19:17
I love a good dog story with a happy ending!!
by aceofspades on 02 May 2012 - 19:24
|I almost broke down crying I was so happy. He emailed me on April 20th saying they would be sent on the 21st, I was beginning to worry that they weren't coming as it has been close to three weeks and it should not take that long for lettermail. I was going to give it until the weekend and email again, but they were there today. So so happy. Now to fill out the papers and send them off to AKC and I will have her registration. For the record the envelope just took it's sweet time. The postmark is for the 23rd which is the first business day following the 21st so he sent them as indicated, they just took their sweet time to travel about 500 miles.|
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 May 2012 - 20:49
| Please be sure you make copies of all papers front and back and send by certified mail|
After all you have been thru, if the papers get lost you will be in for a nervous breakdown..so take every percaution to make copies even of your check or money order.
by aceofspades on 02 May 2012 - 22:44
|I have decided that I will do the transfer online through the AKC website. I figured that should be pretty safe. That way I also retain the original transfer of ownership with the breeders original signature.|
by melba on 02 May 2012 - 22:52
|YellowRose, I am not sure if it was a slip up on AKC's part or not, but I was issued AKC papers on my German import and I have|
not as of yet submitted DNA. I was under the impression that DNA was not required unless you planned on breeding? Please
AceofSpades, congrats! I'm sure you are much relieved!
by swingfield on 02 May 2012 - 22:53
|did they give you "full" registration?? Just curious..|
by melba on 02 May 2012 - 23:17
|Swingfeld, if you are talking to me, then yes they did.|
by aceofspades on 02 May 2012 - 23:38
|If you were talking to me then yes as well as per my agreement with the breeder. He never limits registration.|
by DDRCzechFan on 02 May 2012 - 23:45
|I imported a Czech bitch years ago, and only had to send her FCI papers to the AKC, no DNA for her, either. I too, received full registration.|
by swingfield on 03 May 2012 - 00:41
|sorry.. Ace and Melba!! yes to both.. and glad for both!! hows that :) I have been following this journey and it is scary out there!! so glad it all turned out good!! Some breeders completely black out the numbers for full reg .untill the hips come back good.. I was just wondering! reading the little words in contracts can be daunting at times!! Sherry|
by yellowrose of Texas on 03 May 2012 - 01:36
| On some FCI transfers there are DNA requirements.. ALL imports have different circumstances so not knowing this one or seeing all papers have no answers.|
BuT do have one question...is your space blocked out or do you see the numbers needed to register your dog
Also if it is a transfer you cannot do it on line... I do not understand if transfer or Puppy application you are using.
There is a difference in the two terms.. Please clarify..
If it is a simple puppy application signed and the space is not checked saying LIMIted AND THE BOX is still open and you read numbers on it to be used by you...you are ok
BUT if it is a transfer slip , and the pup is already registered, I believe you have to submit the transfer slip with shown signatures...