German Shepherd Dog > Experiences from breeding showlines with working lines (158 replies)
by Blitzen on 04 March 2012 - 21:50
I wasn't there, it was before I got the dog. I was only told what happened later. I understand the owner is a nice guy, was very embarassed and apologetic. Dogs are dogs, sometimes the unexpected just happens. I agree it was on the handler, not so much the dog.
by joanro on 04 March 2012 - 22:42
|That's a better back up than some reining horses have ;)|
by beetree on 04 March 2012 - 23:38
by Blitzen on 05 March 2012 - 00:00
|Just trying to be understanding, Joanro. I guess it could have happened to me too.|
by darylehret on 05 March 2012 - 00:02
|What's your ACTUAL experience with workingline dog aggression again? Retract that, let's just go back to the topic and wait until we're finished before asking any questions. And no more spitballs, or you can wait in the hall!|
by Blitzen on 05 March 2012 - 00:09
|Damn, you got me Daryl, I made it all up just to piss you off.|
by darylehret on 05 March 2012 - 01:16
|It's not so easy to get under my skin. Everyone knows who my true nemesis is, and given that she's recently added a showline component to her workingline breeding, I figured she would have chipped into this topic by now.|
by Blitzen on 05 March 2012 - 01:43
|Oh darn, and I tried so hard to be number one. Okay, how about this - I think that female you posted here could go V, maybe VA at the US Sieger? Does that move me up one place?|
by darylehret on 05 March 2012 - 01:46
|I have very little understanding of conformation showing, but thanks. If true, it was certainly a fluke on my part :-)|
by Gustav on 05 March 2012 - 01:47
|Blitzen, its not a matter of criticizing WL, if the criticism is representative of the norm....I do it all the time. Really bothers SL people when I criticize WL because it undermines their feelings that WL people all hate just SL. Like equating rescues and shelters with aggression in WL....Asinine!!! First, seldom do you see WL in shelters/rescues, much more often you see Black and Red/Tn dogs. Second, most dogs in shelters aren't there for aggression....people move, people find out they have too much dog, people have change in family dynamics, many many reasons for the few WL you find in a shelter; for there to be validity to correlating rescue/shelter WL with aggression, in most cases. Simply is very seldom the case. Same as your statement....out of thousands and thousands of WL today living in homes and having no issues and the proliferation of the "sport WL" who would rather chase a ball than a person....I just felt the statement isn't reflective of the norm. Wasn't meant to be mean as much as corrective( though I admit some statements I just shake my head and ignore). But if you have a criticism of WL, or any line; that is seen to often for the detriment of the breed....I will also pitch in with you and shed light on it. But I will also try to correct images projected that are infrequent and not really representative of a particular line. Just as we need balance in the breed, we need balance in our opinions based on reality.|
by Blitzen on 05 March 2012 - 02:59
Gustav, it wasn't me who talked about GSD's in rescue
As far as talking about my experiences with WL's, well, it was the truth. I saw what I saw and I know what I know.
by joanro on 05 March 2012 - 03:24
|And every time you saw a peace off that board, it's still too short.|
by Gustav on 05 March 2012 - 13:32
|Blitzen, I KNOW it wasn't YOU that said it, my point was that BOTH statements are not grounded in reality, although they may be someones experience. If you see 2 examples of something, but what you saw is the exception and not the norm, wouldn't you want to know that, though this is your experience, as it doesn't represent what most people see or what most cases are????? I try to deal in factual content when talking with others, I feel a responsibility to not mislead someone about this breed when I speak about aspects of the breed. Maybe this isn't important to others, maybe their experience is more important....I was trying to help or educate on WL and aggression, but you know what, I'll let people wallow in their personal bliss.|
by Blitzen on 05 March 2012 - 13:34
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by Rik on 05 March 2012 - 15:18
|Blitzen, I really do not understand why anyone would take others experience with wl, sl, or asl as personal, which you do seem to do. I disagree that s/l cannot be mentioned or discussed here or the GSD in whatever form it comes in. I have done so from the time I joined and the discussions could get quite nasty before the mods.|
The dogs speak for themselves, no one says poor things about the s/l dogs who compete at high levels, some of whose owners/trainers have participated in this thread. The reputation of the s/l has been earned by the breeders/judges who have brought it to what it is, and by those who live on that river in Egypt, where life is always good. Why would you feel responsibility or the need to defend.
I am going to guess that I have about as much experience/years as most here who show dogs and my experience, especially with ASL seems very different from yours. With the GSL, I have been very disappointed with the line overall and I don't mind saying so. And it really does not take a dog suitable for LE to satisfy my wants and needs.
by Blitzen on 05 March 2012 - 15:30
|You're right, Rik, I have deleted that post.|
by Jeff Oehlsen on 05 March 2012 - 21:01
|Q U O T E :|
And there you have it. This is what you will produce 95% of the time, a pain in the ass who is marginal at best. Look how the poor owner had to make it clear that "she loves her dog" when clearly, that is some sort of social response so that others do not go after her for "not loving her dog"
I have no idea what I was thinking responding to this.
by Sun State Kennels on 05 March 2012 - 23:37
|I have several working dogs...and I have this female who is half East german/czech and half West German show line.....she has TONS of drive..and is also sweet too...but tons of drive!|
I am breeding her back to a DDR East german working line male...and expect great pups...
I have noticed that if you find the right show line female with a stable temperament and good drive and breed it to a working line male.......you will get prettier pups with still working capabilities...bigger boned,,nice look and structure...
I don't like t he slanted hips...
but check her pedigree to see Geisha.
by Ibrahim on 06 March 2012 - 06:10
|The working line dogs behind Geisha have nice conformation, she has a very beautiful face, beautiful markings & lively almond shaped eyes, thanks for sharing.|