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German Shepherd Dog > Pine shavings VS Cedar shavings in the kennel (16 replies)

by vomtreuenhaus on 21 February 2012 - 21:02

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Hey all, quick question..

I currently use pine shavings in my kennel, i love it.

I'm looking to try something new for my travel crates, I have rubber matting in the crates but wanted to add some shavings to keep the smell fresh and add some absorbtion in the event of puppy car sickness, or pee, etc. Has anyone used cedar shavings, any pros/cons? Is it toxic to dogs the way it is to other animals?

Reason I dont want to use pine is the obvious, dont want them to associate the pine shavings with "oh does this mean i CAN go potty in here?" (as its used for the kennels that they can go potty in) Or do you think it would even matter?

Any info would be great!

by BMartin on 21 February 2012 - 22:02

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I use strictly cedar shavings.  Natures bug repellant and it smells good ;)  I think your potty theory holds merit.  I havent noticed any adverse affects on the dogs BTW.

by joanro on 21 February 2012 - 22:02

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My experience with cedar shavings is that they are not absorbent but if you only want it for yourself, they do smell wonderful. However, if planning tracking with dogs or puppies, I don't like to have them in an environment that has things with overwhelming odors like cedar or bleach because you just don't know the lasting effects on a dog's olfactory,either long or short term. Also, I've heard that cedar lightens eye rims(eye lids).

by Jordan Riley on 21 February 2012 - 22:02

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I think Cedar is the best but Has To Be Changed on a Regular Basis, Its seems to Obsorb for me, All of my dogs are on Cedar, Nothing better!

by gagsd4 on 21 February 2012 - 22:02

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Something to keep in mind.... some dogs and people are allergic to cedar.
---Mary

by djc on 21 February 2012 - 23:02

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I use a mix. It is absolutely true that Cedar does not absorb any where near as well as pine. I use about 3/4 pine and 1/4 cedar. It works to keep the bugs out and adsorbs well. As far as in the crates while you are traveling... tried that but it gets all over the vehicle no matter how little you use!! I still use newspaper for puppies in the vehicle and bring plenty to clean up and replace with. Newspaper might also detour them from thinking you want them to go there, since they are used to going on it? Just a thought.
Debby

by CMills on 21 February 2012 - 23:02

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I also use newspapers for the travel crates, easy to change out in case of an accident, doesn't get everywhere in the vehicle, and is very absorbent/clean.

by GSDguy08 on 22 February 2012 - 00:02

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gagsd4  exactly....  My puppies were allergic to Cedar when I tried using it on the previous litter, and so was I.  Not only did they itch and get red when I started using it for them...my sebborehic dermatitis (kind of like eczema but limited to your face/head) went crazy and I also couldn't breathe around that stuff.    I've heard of other dogs having breathing problems with Cedar as well.  

by gagsd4 on 22 February 2012 - 02:02

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Just having it in my car makes me sick.... Major respiratory and sinus reaction. My dog Dingo was allergic and would get itchy and miserable with ear issues.

by Cassandra Marie on 22 February 2012 - 02:02

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A GSD bitch that I sold, became horribly ill when her owner bought a cedar filled pillow.  Dog lost hair by the bushel full and lost weight.  Took time for her to recover from this awful allergic reaction.  Vet said an allegic reaction to cedar is not uncommon.

Don't know if there is any correlation here but we have chickens.  Cannot use cedar as it will result in death.

 

by vomtreuenhaus on 22 February 2012 - 13:02

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Thanks for all the input!!!!

Maybe I should use a pine/cedar mixture in the kennels for the bug repellent (if the dogs are obviously okay health wise with it). I dont use any kind of insect preventative on the dogs (not frontline, not advantix, nothing) And have not had an issue. But it might be worth it to have some cedar in the kennels.

I have the plastic Petmate travel crates, so im not terribly concerned about the shavings getting all over the vehicle. I have a Honda Element so the vehicle is rubber and easy to clean.

I thought of newspaper but in my experience no matter how shredded and fluffy i make it, it always gets matted down and is just a mess to clean up if a dog pukes/pees/poops/etc.

What about aspen shavings, or even that "carefresh" stuff that they sell for small animal bedding? (though it has a horrible odor)

by joanro on 22 February 2012 - 14:02

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Puppies eat stuff their not supposed to, so find out what the product will do if ingested. Like, does it expand with liquid so it's going to swell inside pup's gut? cedar shavings don't get rid of fleas on dogs or their wouldn't be a jillion products on the market, since fleas develop tolerance for chemicals over time. News paper may not be convenient to pick up when wet, but they're puppy safe.

by judron55 on 22 February 2012 - 15:02

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have used cedar for 10 years....never a problem with dogs or human. I'm sure my dogs have ingested some as I feed some raw bones and I know they've dropped them. I do put pine in every once in a while....cedar is getting expensive:-)

by vomtreuenhaus on 22 February 2012 - 15:02

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joanro,

thank you again for the input!

Ive never had an issue with puppies and pine shavings. Have always had my puppies on pine. If they do ingest its usually just a shaving or two, and it always (thus far) has passed through without problems.

I suppose I can just do the newspaper with a dusting of cedar?

by vomtreuenhaus on 22 February 2012 - 15:02

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judron55, same here! i always give them raw bones/bully sticks and i also feed them in the kennel..and I know when they charge in sometimes the shavings land in the food bowl..and in they go! Have never had a problem!

Thanks again everyone!

I know with alot of small animals and birds cedar is highly toxic and causes skin/respiratory issues. That is why i asked, could not find anything on google about it in regards to dogs.

by joanro on 22 February 2012 - 15:02

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Guys, I wasn't talking about dog's getting shavings in their stomach, I was talking about processed products, kitty litter stuff that expands when wet. Stuff like that, that would undoubtedly make them sick if a pup ate it. My dogs ingest shavings inadvertently also, when eating bones in the kennel. They just poop it out ;(

by vomtreuenhaus on 22 February 2012 - 15:02

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Oh gotcha! I misunderstood you :) Makes sense, will stick with shavings or newspaper!

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