German Shepherd Dog > who breeds the hardest dog (62 replies)
who breeds the hardest dog
by kt484 on 15 February 2012 - 02:44
|i know this was up here before but its too old to look at.|
But im looking for a breeders that breed really hard, civil aggression, etc, type of dogs. I want that dog thats hard, strong, not scared of anything, and sure takes correstions like a champ.
American and Eurpoean breeeders please
by Donald Harris on 15 February 2012 - 03:20
by Ace952 on 15 February 2012 - 03:38
|Here we go again.......|
by wrestleman on 15 February 2012 - 03:41
|LOL Dont think thats the right Kennel I would look to Belgium or Holland for a harder dog not the Chez lines. Some are agressive but lack Hardness.|
by kt484 on 15 February 2012 - 05:17
|Ok do ya think its the old ps line and ddr that have the hardnest?|
by BlackthornGSD on 15 February 2012 - 07:57
|I think if I wanted the hardest possible dog, I'd probably go get a bully breed of some sort....|
by myret on 15 February 2012 - 08:53
|Tiekerhook kennel Holland or USA Kennel Vom haus Pixner In Austria they have great dogs or Staatsmacht kennel|
by Red Sable on 15 February 2012 - 10:12
|Ace, I think Donald was giving his honest opinion.|
by ronin on 15 February 2012 - 10:20
Over the last 25yrs (SWAT) I've worked with a lot of hard dogs in the real world, and we are training with very specialised military units in preparation for the Olympics as we speak and their dogs. You can buy a puppy that's hard and a poor trainer will easily ruin it, either break it completely or make it into a tragic mental case.
by workingdogz on 15 February 2012 - 10:51
|I recommend a 3-5yr old male Rottweiler,|
perhaps from some of the older lines.
But, be prepared when you want that dog
to 'take corrections like a champ', cause you
are going to need to be on your toes when
he teaches YOU how to be fair to a dog
If a Rottie doesn't suit your tastes, I'd recommend
a big 3-5yr old PH2 Dutch Shepherd, they tend to
share the same philosophy about 'taking corrections
like a champ' as most male Rotties.
When you get out of the hospital/rehab and regain the
use of your hand(s) for typing, please come back
and let the group know what you have learned
about 'hard' dogs & taking/giving corrections
'like a champ'.
by kt484 on 15 February 2012 - 12:46
|I'm not saying I'm a complusen trainer when I say take corrections like a champ. For example he has a GSD that to me is amazing he hits hard corrections don't phase him and he is so close and loyal to his handler. We used mostly pure postive training with him works amazingl. but he has that edge and to me personally I like that.|
by joanro on 15 February 2012 - 13:07
|Ronin, outstanding post and well put.|
by vomeisenhaus on 15 February 2012 - 14:16
|Lmao @ workingdogz.... when you first get the dog and pull him out of his crate "come down on him hard right away" and let him know whi is boss :)|
by sable59 on 15 February 2012 - 15:22
|don has recently received his pup from jinipo. i am sure he is high on his pup.i also have a year old male from jinipo and i can't say he is hard or not at this point.he is civil but how hard he is will have to wait until he is older.|
by workingdogz on 15 February 2012 - 15:46
make sure you let that dog know just
WHO OWNS HIM!
I think Ronin summed it up the best,
perhaps the OP meant a dog that is
resilient from or forgiving of a newbies
poorly timed or undeserved corrections
OP, once you have had your own dog
do a beautiful (and very serious I might add)
hold and bark on you for a poorly timed
or undeserved correction (mea cupla),
you will understand how
wonderful it is to have a level headed
dog that wants to please his handler.
Always be careful what you ask for.
Those 'hard' dogs are not for the
novice or ego driven.
by Donald Harris on 15 February 2012 - 15:48
|My male Brutus z kociciho dvora 6 yrs old is a Xant son. You can't get any harder than this dog. If anyone would like to see him in person you are more than welcome to come visit and try him out. I did get a pup from Petr (Jiris son). All is good so far with the pup. Barbara Andersen from grandcanyonk9 has a very good litter coming up also. I have reserved pick female from Dyk x Cheyenne. These will be very high caliber police type dogs. Donald Harris 540-717-0119 Www.teufelhundengermanshepherds.com|
by YellowTailz on 15 February 2012 - 16:19
|KT484: Are you refering to Leo (Von Haus Royal) ? Don't forget we purchased from the same kennel, but you have to look at the parents, I was forewarned that I was going to have my hands full with this PITA dog, his dad was the same one and his mom was headstrong/confident. I'm a firm believer of the pet resembles the owner thing, and you tend to be a bit scattered at times (you focus on too many variables and points of interest).|
We'll try to set up some stuff for March 3rd, I'll get the car and bring Leo up.
by desert dog on 15 February 2012 - 16:29
|As usual my good friend Sable59 hit the nail on the head when he said ( how hard) he will be. Every one judges hardness by different degrees of hardness. I also fully agree with Ronin second paragraph. As hardness in only displayed by action. If we judge hardness by the degree of fight a dog has while he can still win, it is a lower standard than seeing the degree of fight a dog will demonstrate, when he has no realistic way of winning.|
Hardness has nothing to do with size, strenghth, Hardness has everything to do with heart. Some people judge a dog by how hard he fights a decoy, or how hard he will fight in a battle while he is winning.
On the other end, the top end, a dogs hardness can only be judged in his dying. How did he die? Was he giving it all he had to win when he drew his last breath? Most people including me don't know. We never get put in that position. But in reality a extreme hard dog in my opinion is one that will die of exhaustion fighting the dead carcus of a 220# enemy that has broken his back and both back legs 3 days earlier.
You and I both know they don't exist. There are some dogs that have a high degree of hardness but because a person has a high degree of hardness in some of his dogs don't mean they all will. If they did they would have to put guards out to keep them.
Dogs only need enough hardness to accomplish the task at hand. That degree can only be judged by you. And that is not governed by location. And again Ronin is right usually they will be the easiest dogs to be around.
by Ace952 on 15 February 2012 - 16:33
|RS - My comment was directed at the topic of this thread. This seems to come up once a month.|
I will say that I agree with wrestleman. There is a difference between aggressive & hardness. I think everyone has their own definition of "hard dog". Many claim to have and see hard dogs everyday while others say they are not so easy to find.
by Ace952 on 15 February 2012 - 16:37
|Nice posts by Ronin & Hank|