German Shepherd Dog > PARVO!!! (59 replies)
by Von Ward Kennels on 14 February 2012 - 04:00
|I had 2 litters going home 2 weeks apart. I vaccinate with a 5 way at 7 weeks. The first litter went home and all is well. Right after that, I got a new dog who is 6 months old. She is healthy and has had her shots. So now the 2nd litter goes home. I still have 1 female from that litter.|
So today, 2 days after these pups go home, 1 person contacts me telling me thier pup is very sick they took her to the vet and the vet gave antibiotics, dewormer and wanted to do $500 in tests. They did not run a Parvo test. The couple asked if they could bring the pup back and exchange for current female still here. I told them they could.
So when I got home this eve I checked my emails and had another puppy buyer from 2nd litter tell me his pup had tested positive for parvo! I am so upset and do not know what to do.
Now I am worried that the female still here will get sick and I want to keep her here to make sure all is well.
I also have a litter that is currently 3 weeks old. They are very healthy and I know will probably be ok until they are weaned but I think the parvo is already here and in my soil. If I vaccinate earlier will they be ok? I have never had parvo and am stressed over this. I did order parvaid to be delivered tomorrow.
Any advice as to what to do would be very helpful. Anyone who has gone through this that can help me would be great.
I do clean my kennels with bleach but I live on 4 acres and cannot sterilize the whole place.
Some people who visit my kennels tell me they have just come from other breeders puppy shopping. Maybe that's how it got here; I don't know.
by Jyl on 14 February 2012 - 04:19
This very well could be a FALSE POSITIVE on the Parvo test... I would wait a couple days and re do the Parvo test on the pups. The second test will probably be Negative. It very well could be because of the vaccine.... what brand did you use? I would not panic just yet..
by yellowrose of Texas on 14 February 2012 - 04:33
|Mahon and I both here in Tyler area do not let anyone in our premises without feet in bags and shoes sprayed at gate and hands also. Antibacterial solutions do not kill parvo. People come from other kennels , or from Pets mart or road side vendors and or even from the vets office. MY pups are seen in my truck by my vet..THey never enter the vets office. My adult dogs go in the back door straight to the table if they ever go to the vet..Most of my gsd have never been to the vets office for anything..I give rabies in truck dna is done out of the envelop in the AKC envelop.|
Mahon has been in GSD since he was 7 yrs old training from his DAD a former GSD akc Judge from california and he drilled in my head several yrs ago....PEOPLE and cars drag the germ in property so OUR rule is law .
NO dogs enter my property no kids with pets, all get sprayed at fence with a solution of Chlorox very weak or I use ODO ban solution. If they do not agree you do not enter..Even now at Mahons , I have to spray my soles of my shoes. Neither one of us have puppies right now but that is our preventative.
by Von Ward Kennels on 14 February 2012 - 04:44
|I did order new vaccines and about 7 of the pups got that new 5 way. It was solo-jec 5 plus.|
So do false positive pups still have symptoms?
by Von Ward Kennels on 14 February 2012 - 04:52
|So how do people visit withmy puppies? They could have the virus elsewhere on thier bodies. They could pass it that way. Lets say I require people to put on booties and wash thier hands in a diluted solution of bleach water. What aboout thier faces and clothes?|
And what do I do with my current tiny pups if I do have it here in my soil?
by yellowrose of Texas on 14 February 2012 - 05:12
I have no experience with the disease only the preventative..Many yrs of raising American cocker spaniels and germans..never had any parvo.
But I am super strict. The problem is letting it get in the dirt. I have no fear of it on face etc. THE germ may be all over town..YOu cannot live in a bubble.
BUT the main thing is to be observant and ask the customer "have you been shopping today for dogs or a pup elsewhere..Strick up a conversation before they get there or outside the gate.
I do not want any disease and also I have roaming dogs in the area that I take very quick approach to keep away from my fence lines..
Airborne diseases are quite hard to predict but with puppies I am like a guardian angel over the routine at my place. Mostof my pups were sold before I opened the public to answer any ads so I had full control over being very cautious and very picky.
Paid off all the last 35yrs.
by waleed on 14 February 2012 - 05:14
|alot of puppy going on|
by Von Ward Kennels on 14 February 2012 - 05:42
|This does not make sense. I have walked my dogs on the trails full of coyote poop for years. No parvo. I have watched my dogs touch the coyote dung with their nose and toes.|
I am hoping Jyl is right and this is a false positive. Plus the female I still have from this litter is very robust.
Do you sterilize your dogs after walks? I grew up on a ranch and never had parvo.
by Jyl on 14 February 2012 - 05:50
|It could be just a reaction to the "new" vaccine... my guess ( although I am NOTa vet and do not claim to be one) would be that the vaccine lower the immune system and coupled with the stress of going to the new homes the pups got sick.|
I too hope this is just a false positive..
How is the sick pup acting? Vomitiing?? diarrhea?? how is the activity level?? Just make sure the pup is kept hydrated?? Run some Sub Q fluids that will help flush the sytem too..
by kitkat3478 on 14 February 2012 - 12:13
|Or,it could BE parvo. I don't like to even say the word. If it is, you will very likely have to hydrate sub-Q. Do NOT send your other female pup out, and you are not supposed to vaccinate pups that have been exposed to parvo. Your dogs have been exposed now.Hell, the meter reader can bring it in on his feet. I too am like yellow rose,with the bleach spray bottle. There are high risk parvo shots. I use neopar at 4 weeks,than I give a 5 way later,2 weeks.At first, parvo is my main concern. You need to start building your 3 week olds up. They just may be in for the fight of their lives. Not trying to scare you, but parvo is a DEAD serious diseasef|
by Keith Grossman on 14 February 2012 - 13:57
|"alot of puppy going on"|
by Judy P on 14 February 2012 - 13:58
|Doing rescue I have dealt with Parvo. Vaccinations will not cause a false positive. It was once thought it would but research found otherwise. Do not let that other puppy go anywhere until it has been a couple weeks after the last puppy has broke with Parvo. Use bleach water to clean everything. one ounce bleach to one quart of water, spray it on let it set 10 mins. I have even sprayed the yard multiple times. I no longer let puppies on the grass in the main yard as we have a special puppy yard so it is either there or on concrete which is bleached 3 times a week or more if needed. |
We vaccinate very differently based on my vets experience with shelter medicine. We start at 5 to 6 weeks and vaccinate every two weeks through 12 weeks then a last shot at 16 weeks. The 2 litters of rescue kids I did have all been healthy and happy, they even attended an adoption event at Pet Supplies Plus with no problems.
by ILGSDs on 14 February 2012 - 15:27
|where the puppies tested for Coccidiosis? I had a scare with this before thought it was parvo but they did test negative for parvo|
by hunger4justice on 14 February 2012 - 16:10
|Tamiflu..GET IT NOW and give to all for 5 days 2x a day you can dip it in honey (very bitter otherwise). It is an antiviral and it WORKS to either lessen the ability of the PARVO virus to damage the immune system and cause internal bleeding by attaching to the intestinal wall. It can prevent Parvo from replicating and casuing infection.|
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by Jenni78 on 14 February 2012 - 18:10
|I second the Tamiflu. I gave it to a 2lb Chihuahua puppy w/parvo and he only skipped one meal, never had diarrhea, threw up one time. |
Cerenia is a good anti-nausea shot, as well. If you can prevent the fluid loss, you can probably save them. I have not lost a pup I treated. I lost one before I knew they had it- may have affected the heart. All others were treated BY ME, AT HOME, and are healthy as can be.
You can be as careful as possible, but you cannot prevent it 100%. Wildlife is coming up positive in my area now. Good luck keeping wildlife from touching the ground where your dog walks.
by Jenni78 on 14 February 2012 - 18:16
|FYI, people...vaccines don't cure disease. Giving them before maternal antibodies have worn off won't help any more than giving them after they've been exposed. |
If you're breeding, it might be wise to check the updated protocols based on research on immunology and just vaccinate earlier and earlier, stressing young puppies who have likely already been exposed to parvo.
by mfh27 on 14 February 2012 - 18:42
|Jenni, you forgot rabies; vaccines given after exposure to rabies but before symptoms will cure you of the disease.|
Here is an excellent vaccine guideline journal article written by The World Small Animal Veterinary Association. One thing it explains is why puppy shots are given in series and why it is useless to give puppies vaccines too early.
by Jenni78 on 14 February 2012 - 18:45
|I didn't forget rabies; I wasn't talking about rabies. We're talking about parvo!|
by mfh27 on 14 February 2012 - 18:56
|When you said "FYI, people...vaccines don't cure disease.", I thought you were making a general statement.|
by Jenni78 on 14 February 2012 - 19:21
|Yeah, my bad. I should've said "parvo" or "puppy diseases," since everything, really, except rabies works that way.|