German Shepherd Dog > Breeding Female - Stud no longer interested but female still willing? (14 replies)
Breeding Female - Stud no longer interested but female still willing?
by fawndallas on 13 February 2012 - 16:14
|Help. I am not sure if I should take my female back to the stud to try again. I have ready everything I can on breeding, which indicates my female will be in standing heat this week. What is confusing me is the Stud stopped showing interest last Thursday.|
Up front, yes, both the stud owner and I have done all our home work. Full dog health, full pedigree.
2/4 - Took female to stud for pliminary intoduction. She was bleeding (just started, maybe day before). Stud was all over her and she was all ready for the mating (flaging, flirting, ect).
2/5 - Female bleeding alot; male very interested. As soon as the male would enter the female she would turn around and bite.
2/6 - limited access. Allowed male to have "alone time" in his comfort area. Still lots of interest and female still bleedinging alot. They could have tied; unknown.
2/7 - limited access - still lots of interest in both
2/8 - female started sitting down
2/9 - male no longer interested
2/12 - picked up female - figuring we were done and either it happened or it didn't. We'll know in 4 weeks.
2/12 - to female home with my other neutered male. Lots of interest in both. Female is flaging, backing up, allowing everything from my neutered male. Female still cries during entry and moves away.
Separted my female.
Are we done or not? Do I take her back to stud to try again? Female is still dripping blood, (not as much as before) but enough to still make a mess.
by BlackthornGSD on 13 February 2012 - 16:45
|Take her to your vet and do a progesterone test.|
by jdiaz1791 on 13 February 2012 - 19:00
|Blackthorn is right....she has been 7 days in heat ? ...ask vet to check for cornification when you take her for Progesterone....throw away that book you read about breeding. Good luck|
by Vermont Lady on 13 February 2012 - 20:21
|By all means, take her to your vet.|
I have limited experience in breeding but females don't come into standing heat til last week of their heat cycle this can be week 3 - heavy red bleeding slows waay down, discharge becomes clear, With CLEAN fingers, you can slowly insert your finger (2 best) (use lubricant if needed) and see if you feel any obstruction - stricture. If bitch is maiden, doing this daily (remember CLEAN hands) can help her get used to penetration and if she is ready you will feel her cervix relax and open more.
by fawndallas on 13 February 2012 - 21:37
|Thank you everyone...This has been a help. I will check this tonight.|
by dogshome9 on 13 February 2012 - 23:10
First of all not all females are the same.
I have a female that went to a stud dog Jan 2nd, she had been on heat for 4 weeks,
Progesterone done 23rd December result was 2 nmol/ >> vets closed over xmas holiday so next
progesterone done 28th December result was 7 nmol/ >>
next progesterone done 30th December result was 11 nmol/
She was taken to the stud 2 days later and he was not interested but she was mated the next day, she was day 30 of her heat and a progesterone test result was 63nmol/.
I was very sure that she would not have puppies with such a high reading but she is now 6 weeks pregnant with 5 puppies seen on ultrasound.
Just showing how important progesterone testing is, get to your vet she may have already ovulated or she may have quite a way to go.
by jdiaz1791 on 13 February 2012 - 23:36
|Dogshome9 , great point, especially because a lot of people,knowledgeable ones, think after 4, then breed between 6-10..... BUT there has to be CORNIFICATION, it doesn't matter the Progesterone reading is,like in your case.|
by dogshome9 on 14 February 2012 - 00:00
It's is a puzzle !
A few years ago I had a female that I was doing progesterone testing on and she was taken to the stud every 2nd day for a week but the stud (a very experienced stud) had no interest in mating her he only played around and mad her mad so off I went for another prog test and the result was 65nmol/ and the vet and the stud owner told me it was way to late and to forget about getting her serviced at that time but this last experience tells me that some vets don't know shit about breeding dogs, just be sure to have a very good stud master.
Also I would never just let my bitches run with the stud. I want to know for sure that she has been serviced and when.
by yellowrose of Texas on 14 February 2012 - 01:43
Most Male studs know what and when and how
I do not think vets know any more than the female and male dog do...I had same experience.
I let my males tell me when.. THey are always right.
If female doesn't want to be bred, then AI here we go.
I have one vet I have do AI no other..He tests then says be here tomorrow and every other day for three times and if she is ready the male will always tell me . Many females have different patterns of heat cycles so never trust the refusal date...keep your female up till 28 days has passed from the day you see the blood and swelling start..If you did not see , then you have no business with breeding pairs..Your responsibility is to mark it on a calendar from last time and BE READY 4 month femalse sometimes sneak up instead of 6 month cycles..Just be ready as some are false..
by carebear on 14 February 2012 - 08:12
|Mated a female 20 days in season prog was 35 the day before, she had 10 puppies. Mated another female 10 days in season prog 35 the day before she had 9 puppies. All are different. I think you were too early and like previously stated you need to prog test.|
by fawndallas on 14 February 2012 - 15:55
|Thank you all. I did go to the vet last night after work. He said "get her back to the Stud. She is ready to go." He did not even do the "P" test. I do think you are all correct; last week was too early. |
I am taking her back tonight for the week.
Thank you again for your advise.
by fawndallas on 16 February 2012 - 15:29
|WE HAVE PUPPIES ON BOARD!!!!|
2 Confirmed ties Wednesday night and Thursday am; with possible 2 more ties during the day Thursday.
Thanks a million for the help above. I will post pictures when I have them.
by Hutchins on 17 February 2012 - 04:46
|"2/12 - to female home with my other neutered male. Lots of interest in both. Female is flaging, backing up, allowing everything from my neutered male. Female still cries during entry and moves away."|
Im alittle confused. If I am reading this correctly, she was put with a neutered male.
But he states that female still cries during entry and moves away. I am assuming this is happening with the neutered male.
I thought neutered males weren't capable of even getting an entry.
Not trying to cause any trouble, but are there, "PROUD CUT" dogs like there are in horses?
by carebear on 17 February 2012 - 11:05
|My neutered ex stud dog still wants to do it and he is 7 now he was an excellent stud prior to being sterlised for medical reasons.|
by cage on 17 February 2012 - 11:12
|Alex,with dogs it´s not like with people,dog females are not maidens.|
Fawndallas,if your female was mated on Thursday,there´s no need to mate her the very same day again.I would recommend repeat mating on Saturday.However,it is often not neccessary to repeat mating,if you do the mating on the right day.