German Shepherd Dog > Who do you like to see in a pedigree? Why? (36 replies)
Who do you like to see in a pedigree? Why?
by Dawulf on 02 February 2012 - 07:35
|I've been really trying to learn some of this pedigree/bloodline stuff lately... right now I'm just having fun finding dogs related to mine, LOL. The question is pretty self explanatory... kinda got the idea from the thread about Tom. |
I prefer workingline dogs, myself, but showline people feel free to chime in too (I was actually looking at Zamp and some of his progeny last night, if it makes you feel any better, LOL!).
by Jyl on 02 February 2012 - 07:49
|I am partial to the Czech dogs... so the ones I like to see in the pedigree are Titus z Pohranicni Straze and Cordon An Sat. I also like Grim z PS..|
The reason I like Titus is because he was a known hip improver and since he went back to DDR he also produced the nice block heads that I like.
I like Cordon because he produced some very nice working dogs. I like my SchH dogs a little on the civil side, which from what I had seen Cordon would produce dogs with that civil drive. The same with Grim.
by Beardog on 02 February 2012 - 12:06
|If showline, I like to see at least one dog in the first 3 generations that carriers great working abilities. Not easy to find but can be found.|
by Carlin on 02 February 2012 - 16:31
|Last post is priceless. Let me re-phrase: It's almost impossible to find a showline dog whose pedigree contains a single dog in three generations who can work. :-D|
by trixx on 03 February 2012 - 02:00
|um there are some showlines that can work, i also know of some working lines that can not work at all. all lines have what i call pet quallty.|
by GSDguy08 on 03 February 2012 - 02:03
|trixx, which is more common though?|
by EchoEcho on 03 February 2012 - 02:16
|Here we go again... amazing how almost any thread can be turned into a debate on workability of SL and WL. I think admin needs to start a new forum just for it and all the SL and WL debates can just go nuts!! I am actually really interested in the OP topic.|
by trixx on 03 February 2012 - 04:28
|yes , i will say that the working lines have lot of good working dog , way more than showlines, but not all show lines are bad , i have seen some really nice showlines that are really strong, alot are from older lines though, Quartz dei Templari has to be one of the best showlines that gave many working lines a hard time , back in the day. and yes i will say that too many show lines breeders are not breeding for work just pets which i dont believe, i still believe a shep no matter the lines should still be bred to work.|
by Dawulf on 03 February 2012 - 12:16
|This wasn't created to debate the WL vs SL thing again.|
Beardog, could you give an example of a SL with good workability that you would look for then?
Jyl, I do like the z PS dogs too. The first sable I ever saw was one of the z PS dogs, and I've been in love since, LOL.
Trixx, I agree completely! Really I will never understand the fascination with SL's over WL, but that is getting back into the big debate again.
by GSDguy08 on 03 February 2012 - 13:37
| i still believe a shep no matter the lines should still be bred to work|
Definitely, and I agree there are show lines that work well, and not all are bad. I think my question was more of a...."they're called working lines for a reason" statement. But unfortunately I'm seeing some WL breeders who breed nothing more than a "Golden Retriever" in Shepherd's clothing.
by Carlin on 03 February 2012 - 14:00
|I didn't intend on starting another war, I just thought it was ironic for an sl person to make a statement like that and thought it was amusing.|
by TDC on 03 February 2012 - 17:17
|Just to name a few:|
Nick vom Heiligenbosch
Falk von den Wolfen
Fado von Karthago
Tom van't Leefdaalhof
Yoschy von der Dollenwiese
Marc vom Herkulesblick
Tim von der Abfuhr
of course there are more but these are some that come to my mind right off.
by TDC on 03 February 2012 - 17:21
|Left out Karn vom Fegelhof.|
by darylehret on 03 February 2012 - 18:44
|And you also left out the "Why's" of each. What do these hotshots produce? Anyone can toss together a list of favorite named producers. But everyone NEEDS to know, it's not just a matter of "who" is in the pedigree, but also how the pedigree is structured, how the "who's" are placed in it, how the producer nicks with the other producers in the pedigree, how strengths are combined, weaknesses offset, and balance of characteristics is attained. When innocent topics like this spread misconceptions about the ease of breeding, no favors are done for the breed.|
by Ace952 on 03 February 2012 - 19:02
|Daryl...i don't think anyone is saying breeding is easy or that they don't take the things you listed into consideration. Just a basic of who they like to see in a PED.|
by richram on 03 February 2012 - 19:54
|I'm with Daryl on this one. It really matters if the questioned asked is by knowleagable and experienced people or someone new and inexperienced. There is way more to breeding than just seeing certain dogs in a pedigree like Daryl said.|
by Sunsilver on 03 February 2012 - 20:08
Tyson von der Schiffslache
by TDC on 03 February 2012 - 20:38
|Daryl...your right I just tossed out some names that I like to see in a pedigree, wasn't implying that breeding is as easy as just mating two dogs with notable names in their pedigree. Actaully was just answering a simple question.|
As far as the why. that would be that the dogs that I have personally had the opportunity to see work and was impressed with would generally have the dogs I listed in their pedigree.
by richram on 03 February 2012 - 22:54
|Bernd vom Lierberg|
Enno vom antreftal
Anderl Vom Kleinen Pfahl
Mike Vom Bungalow
Erica Mat Roz
Dixie Vom Haus Santiages
Noditha Vom Teufelsgrund
by Dawulf on 04 February 2012 - 06:50
|I am not a breeder, nor do I plan on being one any time soon. I am still fairly new to the technical-ness of the breed and am just trying to learn some of the dogs - what they bring to the table, and why people like them so much. That is why I asked the question... purely for my own education, and that of anyone else interested.|
Some of the older breed surveys I see list what lines the certain dog would do good with, and which ones they wouldn't... do they still do that? I never really see it on today's dogs.