German Shepherd Dog > Will your working line GSD protect you (101 replies)
by Judy P on 02 February 2012 - 21:06
|My first Mal would not have bitten a piss ant. She would have run and hid behind me and probably pushed me forward to protect her. My first GSD - an Amer SL would also have hid behind me. Now my second GSD a WL girl who was a rescue does have some prey drive, she has gone after an intruder. Now Quando has had extensive training as a PPD, he WILL bite without a sleeve or other equipment. He has protected me in a real life situation and from his reactions when someone gets to close to the car only a damned fool would try to get in. I honestly feel he would do what it takes but as a back uo I am also prepared to protect myself.|
by destiny4u on 02 February 2012 - 21:07
|what does a dogs ball drive have to do with its ability to protect without training? how on earth are they related?|
by GSDPACK on 02 February 2012 - 21:19
|The last time my dog tried to "protect me" from a confused drunk neighbor, I almost ended up in a court.|
He somehow accidentally (drunk) tried to climb through my window (ass first) and my dog decided to take a chunk out. Not a happy scenario.
Before that, my roommate took home a "new friend" from a bar and that moron walked into my room thinking it is a bathroom and Orin full on bit him in the thigh, he smashed the 7 month old dog with the door and he let go (I guess I would too)
I was lucky, from then on, I am the protector, my dogs need to bark only before I really get into trouble with them.
But I have had two males that would.... My female? I hope I will never have to find out.
by destiny4u on 02 February 2012 - 21:24
|gsd pack i saw some younger dogs in your training videos they really look like they would bite for real seem to have a lot of civil aggression? i dont know if they are yours or not but wow lol very nice|
a pp trainer told me the thing with a good civil dog to work on is the out command because getting a good dog to bite is the easy part. A lot of breeds though now have been watered down it is very hard to find that even.
by Sunsilver on 02 February 2012 - 22:05
|Jackie, LMBO! That is TOO funny!|
The gal in my sig was not trained in protection, but she WOULD protect. We had a guy come delivering flyers to our home when she was tied outside. Yes, I know, bad move, but it was very early in the morning, and we weren't expecting anyone. He cut across our lawn from the neighbours, and therefore didn't see her until it was too late. If he hadn't been wearing a leather jacket, she might have done more than just bruise his arm.
He barely spoke English, and might have been an illegal immigrant, so there were no police involved.
She would also protect the car. One day, I let her out of the car so someone could admire her, and give her treats. When I put her back in the car, they went to pat her to say 'goodbye', and she bared her teeth and growled. Nobody was going to steal our car when she was inside!
Yet, when I asked someone to move my car out of the driveway so the ambulance could take one of my patients to the hospital (forgetting she was inside!) she seemed to know it was an emergency, and allowed a total stranger to get behind the wheel and back the car up!
She also protected my husband from a dog that was trying to attack him:
I have no idea how she was bred, as she was a stray my landlady and good friend picked up off the street; and her structure was nothing to write home about, but she lived to the ripe old age of 14 1/2. I still miss her!
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by YogieBear on 02 February 2012 - 22:51
|That video was stupid............... The "trained" dogs.......lol were just biting a sleeve.......The agitator didnt even attack the girl like he did with the "non trained" dogs.................. give me a break................|
by destiny4u on 02 February 2012 - 23:03
|my dog is very green and has bitten down on hidden sleeves during testing, shes had a bit training though so i mean i dont know if she counts but i mean the training isnt enough, id like to train much more with her because she likes it.She will turn on with a command and target soemone who is passive (id never do it). But if someone threatens her she will act on her own.She is a happy safe dog to take out in public and to the vets in general though. She wont show that side of her unless you tell her to or if someone doesnt know how to act.|
by Slamdunc on 02 February 2012 - 23:16
Hidden sleeves are equipment too after the first time they are used. To do it correctly you need to constantly change the hidden sleeve material. Any jute material, bite suit or sleeve type material will be recognized by the dog almost immediately after one session, even hidden under clothing.
by destiny4u on 02 February 2012 - 23:18
|thanks for telling me slam they only used it for testing though dog is so green|
so the first time the dog doesnt know it tho?
by Slamdunc on 02 February 2012 - 23:37
|If it is new, never been used the dog may not realize it is there. If it is jute, or lined like a bite suit or sleeve construction the dog may smell it and recognize it even the first time. We use other materials, not commonly used for dog training.|
by destiny4u on 03 February 2012 - 01:01
i like dogs high defense high civil aggression but i want high prey drive also i dont understand why someone wouldnt want high prey drive or what that would have to do with protecting? to me high prey drive or ball drive helps you control your own dog, if the dog has good defense and strong aggression its going help with the protection the prey drive is for the training. Gives the dog an outlet?
ALso the prey drive is for the exercising how are you going to burn out and keep your high energy dog with lots of aggression happy with no prey drive? LIke i dont know about your dogs its just if my dog doesnt get her ball play she can be a real tempermental BITCH!! I dont know if i am right here but to me prey drive just helps make a better pet and helps with training. Mine will control her prey drive around cats and family pets. I didnt think a dog having good prey drive or ball drive will sacrafice its defense or aggression. Training my dog was really easy and a lot of fun.
by mfh27 on 03 February 2012 - 01:20
|I dont think that video was actually created by or for a little girl; its an advertisement video for the "trained dogs" by Bob that will bite any bad guy walking around with a jute sleeve haha.|
by GSDPACK on 03 February 2012 - 01:46
the dogs you saw on the vids were probably Orin's progeny. I have had good luck with the puppies so far, they are turning out pretty versatile, stable and with nice work ethics and drives to show for.
by Chaz Reinhold on 03 February 2012 - 02:12
|I'm more in the Duke and Dunk camp than Bob's. You can bond with a dog til your blue in the face. That doesn't make them productive if it isn't in them. If that were the case, any Golden would be protective, given the bond. I've had dogs that there wasn't a question. Others, you wouldn't know until it happened. To expand upon the "bond" factor. I watched someone's dog.for a week. That dog.wouldn't let anyone near my car, house, kids, etc. No "bond", just the dog. The dog I have now is a criminal. He needs a compound and someone watching from the tower as he gets his time in the yard. When he was younger, my helpers had to be careful. He would take what he could get. And he got a couple. Do I wonder with him? No.|
by duke1965 on 03 February 2012 - 08:55
|as far as hidden equipment , jims says it all ,the dog can smell it|
and destiny , you should listen to that trainer more , when he said :
a pp trainer told me the thing with a good civil dog to work on is the out command because getting a good dog to bite is the easy part
he was right on there
by destiny4u on 03 February 2012 - 10:26
|duke i never doubted it..|
by Bob McKown on 03 February 2012 - 13:01
We all have our own idea,s of what bonding means and how we live with our dogs. I,ve seen breeds of dogs protect people and children that would amaze you for no other reason or training involvement then they belong to one another.
If your dog lives in kennels and gets to see you on occasion or at your convenience or at training then I can understand. My dogs live with me as part of my family I can look at the dog from across the yard and tell you exactley what he is going to do and why just by his face expression and vise a versa. they sleep with me eat with me go every where with me. I choose to live with my dogs not just own them. There is a big difference and how the dog reacts to any situation also is effected by that relationship.
I don,t own my dogs,there not an object like a shovel or a broom or my favorite coffe cup or shoes they live in my house and in my life they are part of life with me that is the bond I have with the dog and i,m sure many understand and agree. Does a dog have to live in my type of enviroment to be protective? aboslutley not, does it have a positive or negitve effect on the subject at hand? in my opinion most definetly.
by Gustav on 03 February 2012 - 13:02
|I agree with both Duke and Slamdunc in what they say....the difference is Slamdunc is describing the type of dog that will protect and serve with extensive training. Duke is describing a dog who will protect naturally with minimal training. Both types can be effective in police service work....but I think Duke's type is closer to the recipe for a dog to naturally protect its owner.JMO|
by Kalibeck on 03 February 2012 - 13:18
|Here, here, Bob! jackie harris|
by darylehret on 03 February 2012 - 14:45
You mean to tell me the one withOUT extensive training is more natural? (chuckle)