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Uran von der Rieser Perle SZ 2237897 should NOT be used for stud!! by Jantie on 01 February 2012 - 18:31 |
| This dog should NOT be used for stud!! Details from the SV-Decknachrichten 6/2011: Uran von der Rieser Perle SZ 2237897 (*Tyson vom Köttersbusch SZ 2175542 SchH3 - *Oduscha von der Rieser Perle SZ 2183081 SchH2), Inz.: Hobby Gletschertopf (5,5-5), Candie Wienerau (5-5), !!!! schwere Ellenbogengelenksdysplasie !!!! For any questions: ask me: j.demeyere@skynet.be |
by hunger4justice on 02 February 2012 - 03:56 |
| Ok, we want to know why....can't you say here? |
hunger4justice by trixx on 02 February 2012 - 04:29 |
| yes we would like to know why?????????? |
trixx by Jantie on 02 February 2012 - 05:23 |
| Please, oh please, dear GSD-fans! You MUST be able to read and understand two words in German, bot have the word "dysplasia" in it: HD and ED!! !!!! schwere Ellenbogengelenksdysplasie !!!! = severe ED I put so many exclamation marks around it, and you still don't get it? I'm so sorry for you! Evil grin!  |
by trixx on 03 February 2012 - 01:51 |
| well not everyone has the time to go look on this dogs comments and maybe you should notice most is in english on this site. |
by Jantie on 03 February 2012 - 05:45 |
| Sorry, I haven't noticed Trixx, it must have escaped my mind, that most is in english here! You know I'm Belgian and my mother tongue is Dutch. What was I thinking! Tsss! Me... stupid! "I'm from Barcelona!!" We ARE talking about a GERMAN Shepherd though, and we want to address the problems in the German Kennel Club, which is called by the way: "Schäferhundeverein SV e.V." Now it happens to be located in Germany. And the terminology used by millions of fans therefore is predominantly ... euh... German. I'm sitting on tons of information, sadly enough Trixx, it's all in German. NOT sharing it with this community because a couple of people do not understand what is behind ED or HD would not be wise, I think... This site is so funny! Lots of funny people, I'm having a great time! |
by yellowrose of Texas on 03 February 2012 - 06:11 |
| Hey Hey Hey Jantie: Great to see you in such a great funny happy mood I totally agree that we must learn German terms. Since my two foundation dogs were sold to me with German Pedigrees, both sides and many of the next 4 were also, and I expected to Train those dogs, my trainer gave me homework First was read Stewart Hilliard and Susan Barwig THe Theory and Method of Schutzhund. IN those pages are terms I was going to hear on the field at club and of course, as time went on, if you want to know how to spell SHEPHERD and not Shepard, lol, you will need to further your knowledge by researching those pedigrees . When you come on here, as I did many yrs ago , I was embarrassed not to know many things printed in German...I had to learn the colors, the words on my pedigrees for sire , dam birth, color, sex and then come a Koeerr . First thing I learned was I didn't have one clue how to correctly pronounce Wieherturchen I stumbled thru pages for months , talking to club members who ask, what lines does your bitch come from...lol Zilla v Wieherturchen and you would have laughed silly , Jantie ,to hear me slaughter V a thur chen... which is how you pronounce Zillas last name in English THEN came words like Farbe und Avzeichen Geschiechi much less the word Deutsche Schaferhund Any term relating to your dogs color, sex, health etc you should make a big effort to learn..I learned by laying my pedigrees on a big board, and I also learned to trace histories and dogs by using colored markers for same dogs and same lines in all my pedigrees lined up on the wall... Learning the german terms ,,,especially !!!! schwere Ellenbogengelenksdysplasie !!!! = severe ED is most important. A big majority of us use German Commands /hand signals and very little english when training. If you are gonna go German learn German.. then sneak in a little Czech on the side keep a book handy,.,,, YR |
yellowrose of Texas by kazulani on 03 February 2012 - 08:45 |
| Lol Jantie! Not totally fair as one does pick up the german easier with the Dutch :-) |
kazulani by Vom Brunhaus on 05 February 2012 - 00:27 |
| Jantie, what you been smokin / drinkin ? You like to pick on this familie dont you ? Have you nothin better to do with yourself but to get on here and spread lies to discredit a wonderful zuchter with much success ? Rieser Perle does not breed dysplastic dogs, I know I have/own one . Vom Brunhaus |
Vom Brunhaus by Petra81 on 05 February 2012 - 02:26 |
| Well, it is not a lie, it is a FACT! Let's check it here: http://www.jaquenetta.com/decknachrichten06-2011.pdf Or you think that SV is lying??? I guess to breed with a damaged dog is such a crime: even if somebody buys a pup for a pet, not for breeding. With damaged elbows a dog cannot even walk at the age of 1 yr!! And the costs of operation(s) is/are quite high!! There are a lot of healthy males from several bloodlines, why to use the unhealthy ones? To create even more criples???????????? |
by hexe on 05 February 2012 - 08:29 |
| Jantie, I'm puzzled about something--I went to the link [Edited to correct misattribution of link to SV list] |
by Jantie on 05 February 2012 - 09:47 |
| Hi Hexe, you must not be puzzled anymore. Somebody let me know the fact, I checked it and just published it. So there ARE indeed OTHER people in this world, who want to keep it all clean. Godspeed! P.S.: And I quote YOU: "If you truly don't have an agenda other than wanting to see strides made toward reducing the incidence of hip and elbow malformations in the breed, why not make a point to post a link the SV's list each time it's released, so people can easily find it and file the info for future reference?" You go ahead Hexe and do that! |
by Stumpywop on 05 February 2012 - 10:26 |
| For info - I have a WL bitch who has extremely severe hip dysplasia. She was 2 years old on 7th January this year. She now runs, jumps and plays with my other dogs, does training, goes on long walks etc without pain or difficulty. I have spent an absolute fortune on getting her swimming sessions, physio and so on to build up her muscles in her back legs. It has taken me since she was 4 months old to get her to this stage and I have to continue with everything to maintain it. Just because she's attained a certain level of activity and strength doesn't mean I can now stop the hard work because she'll go backwards healthwise. However, not all dogs with severe HD are unable to walk at 1 year old. Not all dogs with severe HD cannot be involved in certain activities. As far as I'm concerned, she should never have been bred - but she was. This is the situation we're in and it's far worse for her than it is for me. But I will do whatever is necessary to keep her healthy and allow her to be as active as possible for the whole of her life. If when she's older she needs surgery, she'll have it (if it's in her best interests). but he fact taht she's so strong on here rear end now means her recovery will be quicker. I suppose I'm just trying to make the point that not all dogs with HD are a waste of space o rcompletel cripples. No she will never be bred from - partly due to her HD and partly because I'm not a breeder. But she's just as active and for the most part, in many of the same ways, as my other dogs. |
Stumpywop by peterlee on 05 February 2012 - 10:52 |
| Yes, but why did you name this dog in particular, Jantie? As Hexe pointed out, there were over 40 dogs on that list. Why was that one worthy of particular mention? Has anyone ever bred from this dog? Did anyone ever intend to? After all, the whole point of the SV announcement was that the dogs on this list should not be bred from because they had failed on their hip or elbow scores. These dogs were never going to get a Korung so who exactly was going to breed from them? Why did you single out this dog in particular? |
by Skylagsd on 05 February 2012 - 21:18 |
| @ Stumpywop is your dogs HD records listed? if someone is looking at dogs they may know who the parents are that created your dogs severe hip dysplasia. Is it wishful thinking hoping records can be kept off off all dogs with bad hips and elbos. That the owners of these dogs send their Xrays in. |
Skylagsd by hexe on 06 February 2012 - 03:52 |
| Jantie wrote: "P.S.: And I quote YOU: "If you truly don't have an agenda other than wanting to see strides made toward reducing the incidence of hip and elbow malformations in the breed, why not make a point to post a link the SV's list each time it's released, so people can easily find it and file the info for future reference?" You go ahead Hexe and do that!" I'm going to respectfully decline your invitation, Jantie, as I have quite enough on my plate already in keeping up with the on-going developments in the field of veterinary medicine, which at times enables me to offer help to other dog owners both here on this site as well as elsewhere in the real and cyber- worlds. I made the suggestion to YOU solely because you seem to have a vested interest--I believe the unfortunate fellow's name was Indiana v Wildsteiger Land, was it not?--in trumpeting warnings about this specific dog or that...and while I certainly understand that Indiana has left a scar on you that will never heal, you seem to be targeting ONLY specific individual dogs, breeders, owners and so forth, which in the grand scheme of things is of little benefit to others when you consider the limited number of offspring that a single animal can produce in it's lifetime. I don't believe a dysplastic dog--hip or elbow--should be used for breeding (I'll even go you one step further, and say that I don't like seeing the single SOUND dog out of a litter where the rest are dysplastic used for breeding, either!), and I DETEST anyone who would falsify health records for a dog in any capacity, so I find what has been determined to have happened with Jaguar Marlboro to be reprehensible. My issue with your postings re Jaguar were not with the facts you presented--it was with your attack on Silbersee's character I found offensive. My issue with you regarding THIS dog is that you have not provided any reason as to why, of the 44 dogs on this list, it is ONLY this dog you chose to ring the alarm bell regarding--did the owner of the dog approach you about breeding a bitch to this dog after learning of the x-ray results? Is there some vast marketing campaign that was mounted to offer the services of this dog that was not halted upon the owner's receipt of the results? Please, do tell why it was of such major importance that you announce that THIS dog, out of all 44 animals on that list, should not be used for stud? Do you mean to say that it would be perfectly OK to use one of the other 43 for breeding, just not this one? Of course not. For a personal reason that I'm not privy to, this particular dog, Uran Rieser Perle, has a link to *someone* you've got a grudge against, and you intend to continue to gore the ox which has captured your attention for the remainder of your life. I frankly have far better things to spend my time upon than to try and play 'connect the dots' with this dog and with the Team Marlboro dogs to figure out how this all ties to the 'injustice' you feel you were dealt with Indiana's hip dysplasia, but I'm sure there is some tie, if nowhere else but in your mind. It still saddens me that Indiana was severely dysplastic, and even more so that you elected to end his life when there were so many offers from others to adopt him from you and provide him with the necessary care it would have taken for him to enjoy a comfortable life of good quality, but he was your dog and it was your choice to make. I hope someday you are able to finally purge all of the bitterness that's within you as a result of having had Indiana in your life so briefly, as hatred is an acid that destroys the vessel in which it is stored. Good luck to you, sir. |
by allanf on 06 February 2012 - 04:58 |
| hexe Your post is seen as nothing more than a personal attack on Jantie which is very disheartening. Jantie has provided an explanation which ought to be taken on face value without any need to revert to slurs and innuendo on your part. Your time would indeed be better served by publishing similar notices to this topic. For the interest of other readers, what is the list to which you refer, where is it published and by whom is it published? |
by hexe on 06 February 2012 - 07:02 |
| allanf, with your 6 posts and three day history here, you don't know the history behind Jantie's posts here, so you can be excused from understanding the origin of my statements. As I explained rather clearly, my issue is not with Jantie's voicing factual information, it is rather with the precise selectivity employed as to whose animals such announcements are made. There is no innuendo in my post above--I think I've been very direct in saying I believe Jantie is pursuing selectively based upon the very real wounds that were created when he learned that his young dog was determined to have severely dysplastic hips. Such an experience will be painful for all but the most unfeeling dog owner, so I find no fault with Jantie in that regard--I'd just rather he be open about wanting to watch like a hawk all those parties he considers responsible for the genetic misfortune which affected his dog, instead of being disingenuous and claiming that he is acting only out of the unselfish desire to protect all future buyers of German Shepherd Dogs registered with the SV. Take on *all* who would commit fraud and misrepresentation with the dogs for their own benefit, and I will applaud him his courage. As for the link to the list you ask about, please scroll up to the post written by Petra81, and follow that link to the list of dogs found to be dysplastic in hip or elbow conformation which was originally published in the SV's magazine--as is done regularly in that publication. Wait--I'll make this even easier for you--no need to scroll up for Petra81's post, here's the link again: http://www.jaquenetta.com/decknachrichten06-2011.pdf As for where my time is better served, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but as I don't read German, don't belong to the SV, and don't receive the SV's magazine, I'm hardly in a position to publish any such notices. Jantie, I've read your response to my questions on the Team Marlboro thread, and I have visited your blog...but I sadly am not fluent in any other language save for English, and as we've all seen, on-line translation engines fall woefully short in accurately conveying the complete meaning of text which includes specialized or technical terminology such as is associated with dog breeding, showing, anatomy or veterinary medicine, as does my English/German-German/English dictionary. I shall take you up on your offer to discuss the subject further via private email later this week, however. |
by allanf on 06 February 2012 - 11:35 |
| hexe There has been a misunderstanding! I was not seeking excuses from you. Your persistence in imputing some obscure and irrelevant motivation to a third-party continues to bring you discredit. The tenor of your posts is clear. Whatever your own motivation, your personal attacks are unwaranted and inappropriate. Regardless of your words to the contrary, it appears that you do not appreciate the notice which forms the subject of this topic - i.e. a warning against the use this dog as a stud. |
by peterlee on 06 February 2012 - 12:39 |
| allanf, What you and Jantie fail to explain is why Jantie has sought to make so public the fact that this particular dog should not be used for stud. No-one is saying he should be. The SV is not saying he should be. The list to which Jantie refers (put out by the SV) refers to over 40 dogs. And this is a perfectly normal process. Why does this particular dog deserve to be highlighted so publicly? Let us be clear here. This dog is two years old, has no Körung and there is no record of the dog having been used at stud. All that seems to have happened is that the dog has been submitted for ED and HD scores, the result has come back unsatisfactory and the dog will not be used for breeding. He will not be eligible for a Körung and will not be entered in the stud book. This must happen to many dogs. It is no doubt deeply disappointing to the owner and breeder but not all dogs get satisfactory HD and ED scores. That is why they are screened and why dogs with unsatisfactory scores do not make it into the stud book. Why does this particular dog need to be publicised in this way? What is so special about this dog which sets him apart from the other 40 or so dogs which appeared in the same list? That is what neither you nor Jantie explain. Perhaps there is a reason for this special treatement of one dog. If so, what is it? |
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