Are health clearances necessary before breeding?

German Shepherd Dog > Are health clearances necessary before breeding? (79 replies)

Are health clearances necessary before breeding? by Blitzen on 01 February 2012 - 13:48	Blitzen Posts: 9273 Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 06:49 am
Opinions? Which ones?
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by workingdogz on 01 February 2012 - 13:51	workingdogz Posts: 892 Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:42 pm
Bare minimum, hip & elbows OFA'd or 'a-stamp' Thats the very LEAST bare bones a 'breeder' can do.
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by seby on 01 February 2012 - 14:12	seby Posts: 99 Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2005 02:02 am
Yes, I agree. I would also do a brucellosis as a bare minimum.
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by etosha on 01 February 2012 - 14:21	etosha Posts: 8 Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 03:00 pm
We already do "a" stamp hips and elbows as well as Brucellosis but we are now starting to CERF, Cardiac and DM test all of our breeding stock also, everyone should be done by end of March.
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by mirasmom on 01 February 2012 - 14:34	mirasmom Posts: 2684 Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2007 03:13 pm
All... Breeders should check: Hips Elbows Heart Thyroid Eyes DM Temperament test
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by jbbrbx on 01 February 2012 - 14:35	jbbrbx Posts: 114 Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2003 07:41 pm
Without testing you are breeding blind.
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by BlackthornGSD on 01 February 2012 - 16:08	BlackthornGSD Posts: 966 Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2007 08:57 pm
Why are people CERFing their GSDs? It only tests for problems that are present at the time of testing. There are not many(any?) genetic eye problems in GSDs that you can detect via CERF that you can't detect via a regular vet exam. CERF can't tell you whether your GSD will develop pannus (the only? main? eye problem in GSDs) when the dog turns 9. Am I mistaken? Please inform. What heart problems are being tested for? Any that don't show up on a basic vet check? I wasn't aware there were genetic heart problems that the GSD had that could be tested for. Thyroid: test for it if there are any problems or health issues. Are people testing just to say they've tested? Just to enrich the testing/certifying companies? Christine
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by shepherdhope on 01 February 2012 - 16:36	shepherdhope Posts: 41 Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:09 am
100% YES. If more breeders did more testing we could lessen the amount of our BELOVED GSD having these horrific conditions and being lost to young or have ongoing problems. Avoiding lines known to have epilepsy. HIPS ELBOWS AF DM MRD1 EPI PD JRD All able to be tested for???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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by Jenni78 on 01 February 2012 - 16:46

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Why are people CERFing their GSDs? It only tests for problems that are present at the time of testing. There are not many(any?) genetic eye problems in GSDs that you can detect via CERF that you can't detect via a regular vet exam. CERF can't tell you whether your GSD will develop pannus (the only? main? eye problem in GSDs) when the dog turns 9. Am I mistaken? Please inform.

What heart problems are being tested for? Any that don't show up on a basic vet check? I wasn't aware there were genetic heart problems that the GSD had that could be tested for.

Thyroid: test for it if there are any problems or health issues.

Are people testing just to say they've tested? Just to enrich the testing/certifying companies?

Yup.

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by macrowe1 on 01 February 2012 - 17:00	macrowe1 Posts: 610 Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:49 am
Ha Jenni I like that answer. I think that definately bare minimum Hips, Elbows, and DM. Good breeders, though, I think should test for Burcellosis, temperment, eyes, cardiac, and thyroid.
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by mollyandjack on 01 February 2012 - 17:05	mollyandjack Posts: 640 Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 05:34 pm
People are testing for mdr1 in GSDs? May I ask why?? I just looked through the literature and only see evidence of it occurring in possibly White GSDs (besides the usual suspects - collies, sight hounds and etc.) If I'm missing out on new statistics, please let me know...
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by hunger4justice on 01 February 2012 - 17:12	hunger4justice Posts: 611 Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2009 04:45 pm
Hips, elbows, DM now that it is available.
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by hunger4justice on 01 February 2012 - 17:12	hunger4justice Posts: 611 Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2009 04:45 pm
Hips, elbows, DM now that it is available. Brucellosis a must for breeding pairs.
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by Quest55 on 01 February 2012 - 17:21	Quest55 Posts: 13 Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 07:55 pm
hips, elbows, DM, the very least....
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by Jenni78 on 01 February 2012 - 17:24	Jenni78 Posts: 5694 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
What, pray tell, is an official "temperament test"?
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by 1GSD1 on 01 February 2012 - 17:27

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There is an issue in the breed that is similar to SIDS in babies, but I believe most dogs drop dead from it by 12 months of age or while under anesthesia. I don't recall the name of the disorder nor that it is found by a routine examine.

Pannus can show up rather young, but it should still be obvious to a breeder that something is not right, dog goes to vet, vet confirms pannus. Dog is pulled from breeding. Agree cerf in itself doesn't help here.

vWd is something not many screen for. Should be done early because the number goes up with age so a low normal at 3 or after heat cycles may not be accurate. Vaccines may play a factor. Dr. Jean Dodds is the expert.

There are issues, not as many as in other breeds but they are there.

Why don't you ask a vet, especially the one who owns the VA2 NASS dog. She lists what he has been checked for:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/classifieds/98459.html

and if you go under comments, she gives her opinion on why he's not screened for DM.

Can't get any better, a vet who owns and breeds the breed.

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by 1GSD1 on 01 February 2012 - 17:27	1GSD1 Posts: 182 Joined: Sat Jul 10, 2010 03:44 pm
The GSDCA has a variation of the American Temperament Test Society's "Temperament Test." They have a website if you google them.
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by Jenni78 on 01 February 2012 - 17:59	Jenni78 Posts: 5694 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
LOL. That was my point. I shudder to think of anyone breeding who needs that to gauge temperament.
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by shepherdhope on 01 February 2012 - 18:38	shepherdhope Posts: 41 Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:09 am
KEIRA MY BEST FRIEND AND LOYAL COMPANION FOR 12 AND A BIT YEARS She had: HD AF DM Pancreatic problems Reactions to some drugs and many many more problems. SOME HEREDITARY. If you read any of the threads with these conditions mentioned and the other conditions mentioned you would understand why testing is 100% necessary. I am no expert, no nothing about genetics or breeding but come on hips and elbow minimum. No wonder the GSD is in such a bad way!
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by 1GSD1 on 01 February 2012 - 18:51	1GSD1 Posts: 182 Joined: Sat Jul 10, 2010 03:44 pm
No LOL you asked so I gave the info. Why is there always that aire of superiority? It's sickening really. I don't go back to read 1/2 these threads as I have better things to do than sit here all day. I am sure there are many more shitty comments.
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