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Line breeding on Tom Vant Leefdalhof by Gusmanda on 31 January 2012 - 06:00 |
| Is anyone familiar with what characteristics he brings when linebred? Seen many offspring, but the linebred ones are still too young to judge. Wonder if anyone has seen any old enough to evaluate? |
Gusmanda by Bundishep on 31 January 2012 - 06:30 |
| I have a 2-3 female on Tom over 2.4 years old, high drive, high energy, nice preydrive. |
by duke1965 on 31 January 2012 - 08:29 |
| that question cant be answered as there are many TOM offspring ,with many different caracteristics , , so it all depends over what dogs the linebreeding was done quite a difference if you go by zamp weinbergblick or eros mohnwiese , to give an example |
by workingdogz on 31 January 2012 - 12:28 |
duke,  If it were as simple as linebreeding on "X" dog, well, it would be simple. But just because a dog is linebred 2-2-3-4-5-5-5-5 on ___________________ doesn't mean much if you don't know what those dogs actually brought to the breeding. There is "prey Tom", and "serious Tom", so not so simple as duke said. |
by hunger4justice on 31 January 2012 - 14:38 |
| Steve1 has a dog line bred (I can't recall if it is 2-2 or 2-3) to Como and thus Tom as well so he might have insight as I think that dog is at least one year now. |
hunger4justice by Gustav on 31 January 2012 - 15:38 |
| Duke1965......I agree wholeheartedly and you gave a good example!! |
by duke1965 on 31 January 2012 - 18:03 |
| justice , eros and como are not typical TOM offspring , so if you want to linebreed on tom for his caracteristics they are not the path to follow |
by Bundishep on 31 January 2012 - 23:42 |
| Eros or Como is an excellent path to follow, Como was number one in the world for 2010 of coarse not all great dogs have the ability to produce themselves,If i remmeber correctly the most dogs in the last WUSV came off of Tom and thus Ellute or Eros to me that doesnt say everything but it is still worth looking at in a breeding program. |
by EisenFaust on 01 February 2012 - 04:33 |
| Anyone notice that Tom lines produce small females, or is that coming from Ellute? |
EisenFaust by Ace952 on 01 February 2012 - 04:40 |
| what do you mean by small females? What do you consider to be avg and what do you consider to be small? |
Ace952 by BlackthornGSD on 01 February 2012 - 04:41 |
| I think the small females come from Mona Dollenweise. Vito seems to produce large dogs. |
BlackthornGSD by BlackthornGSD on 01 February 2012 - 04:43 |
| Some of the Tiekerhook dogs that were bred Nick/Yoschy or linebred on Yoschy were small and somewhat fine boned. And then I have a female who is a Yoschy granddaughter who was 55 pounds/22" inches--she Koered, but I think her size kept her from getting KK1. Christine |
by EisenFaust on 01 February 2012 - 04:53 |
| 50 pound range, I understand that we like over sized everything here!!!!!! |
by duke1965 on 01 February 2012 - 08:10 |
| bundishep , im not saying eros and como are bad dogs or anything , just saying they are not Tom typical dogs , but then I guess Tom got a lot of his fame ,by these dogs , so it is a matter of what you want , some people want a dog like Tom , some others just want his name on the papers once or twice |
by Bundishep on 01 February 2012 - 08:54 |
| duke1965 yes i understand your point you are right some are happy to see Tom once or twice in a ped or dont even care if he shows up at all,i am prob. in the group that goes overboard with him or certain dogs that come off of him,i also like some of the Vito dogs that came thru Tom and so on,I just feel its a shame that its hard to access some of the males that breeders out of the country are able to access more easy unless you are loaded with cash to go get a certain breeding your after.My 2-3 Tom female is by no means perfect but she brings alot to the table that I like to see with working instincts, she is a bit too heavy now I would rather see her in the 60-65 pound range. I have heard of a female from someone else that i believe also was a 2-3 on Tom and he said she was far too dog aggressive. |
by skilaki on 01 February 2012 - 09:39 |
| I'm don't post much, but am interested in learning as much as I can about bloodlines. I wonder if someone might be kind enough to humour me and answer some questions relevant to this topic for me please? Picking up on the comment that some people want a dog like Tom - what would that be re drives, sociability, biddability, seriousness etc? What would Tom-typical sons be like? And what is it about Eros and Como that do not make them Tom-typical sons? What about Vito and Ellute, are they Tom-typical? Sorry about the novicey questions - everyone has to start somewhere! :) |
by Gustav on 01 February 2012 - 15:05 |
| Tom is a dog I like seeing in a pedigree, but would not be interested in a dog linebred on top....just my personal tastes. |
by BlackthornGSD on 01 February 2012 - 16:01 |
| Skilaki's questions are good ones--I'd be interested in hearing the replies. |
by ziegenfarm on 01 February 2012 - 16:26 |
| {"And what is it about Eros and Como that do not make them Tom-typical sons?"} ronny vandenberghe. so far, no one has mentioned what set eros and como apart. their handler. when a dog is being trained by one of the best in the world, they are not going to be typical. pjp |
ziegenfarm by skilaki on 01 February 2012 - 17:47 |
| Anyone? Very much want to understand these lines :) |
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