German Shepherd Dog > Max van tiekerhook 1 and 2 (35 replies)
by workingdogz on 29 January 2012 - 13:49
|Agreed! Congradulations on your success with Kelvin! Very impressive :)|
by darylehret on 29 January 2012 - 15:55
|Yeah, pumping them out.... every three years. The litter was for ME, not you , and I'm not taking the crapshoot from someone's titled POS that's kicking out inferior results, several litters per year.|
If your focus is papers and entitlements, I could give 2-poops to what you think. I've personally selected four of the pups for myself, so shouldn't affect you terribly much. And, I AM repeating the breeding. At some point, it has to become about the dogs, and not their F'ing credentials.
by mariaartashes on 29 January 2012 - 16:06
|workingdogz, thank you. Kelvin is my first dog, wich want to work for me any time, 24h in a day. |
by workingdogz on 29 January 2012 - 17:17
Then why are you advertising them for sale?
I'm confused? You have listed them for sale here
and on other boards. Hence my comment.
It IS about the titles and "credentials", why else would
you have purchased the "breeding stock" you did?
I don't believe anyone would pay even Koos $2500+USD
for a pup from untitled/unhealth checked parents.
And what about the infamous Yoschy you are so focused on?
Do those titles mean jack shit too?
Whatever, to each their own.
Breed away, health checks, females under 2 and titles be damned.
God Bless America right?
Very impressive for your first dog, impressive for ANY dog!
by Ace952 on 29 January 2012 - 17:25
|Mariaartashes - Very very nice looking boy you have there. Congrats on your accomplishments so far. Please keep us updated on his progress.|
by darylehret on 29 January 2012 - 17:54
|I have bred on the dogs of my choosing because of what they PRODUCE, not for what they have accomplished. There's "multitudes" of dogs with so-called accomplishments that can't produce themselves. Max II has unfortunately had a short breeding career, and produced with too few bitches that I would favor from a genetic standpoint. I could give a hoot who their handlers were, how well they scored and so on. Max's scores generally fell into the 260's to 270's, which isn't very impressive at all if you ask me. But the dog WAS and PRODUCES what I want for myself. I'm selling what I don't keep, and if you have issue with that, DON'T BUY! Pretty simple, really.|
by johan77 on 29 January 2012 - 17:56
|I see max II has 66 offspring listed here, if he is a decent producer some of his sons could be used if someone wants to breed on those lines I suppose. Could it be that he is linebreed on dogs that are pretty common in many dogs, so people don´t wanna use a dog that will give them even more ferro influence in their litters. Or people think there are studs that are equal or better I guess.|
by workingdogz on 29 January 2012 - 18:00
|What did Max #2 die of? Anyone know?|
Not a problem. We wouldn't.
by mariaartashes on 30 January 2012 - 09:55
|workingdogz, Ace952 thank you. Kelvin is not my first, he is first with so working-drive.|
Max2 died under Heart problem. So says. He was OK on evening, but in the morning he was gone.
by hunter k-9 on 30 January 2012 - 12:14
|dayrle, Well if that statement came from Koos then I would not judge his opinion.|
by darylehret on 30 January 2012 - 18:39
|That was once the statement on the front page of his website. And he may very well have a new "hardest dog I've ever owned" now.|
There are a few different ideas about what hardness means to some folks, and some I don't accept. But, what I've seen through Max is the ability work through increased pressure and physical discomforts while maintaining focus and drive. I've admittedly known a few "hard" dogs that didn't have much in the way of focus or drive, though I'm experiencing no shortage of it through breeding on Max. It should be obvious to everyone that hardness alone, isn't enough.
by GSalltheway on 31 January 2012 - 10:39
|Daryl, you know that Koos did't use Max only with Quick? Catch isn't the only one he has out of Max! There is Escha and Ziggy, they are both out of Max x Noery! And he has Radja who is a Catch daughter so doesn't seems to me that it all rests in the shoulders of Catch! ;-)|
by darylehret on 31 January 2012 - 16:42
|Fair enough :-) His breeding with Quick was basically the lineup that I favored most, and felt had the best potential. I shouldn't detract from other fine dogs produced, but for ME personally, I would not have wanted a Tiekerhook dog from any other breeding in the last five years. The 2-2 on Nick sparked some interest, and I would have liked to try, but would never for any price trade the dog I'm so fortunate to have.|
by GSalltheway on 31 January 2012 - 17:58
|IMO Max produced better with Noery and when you compare the zw n.º and the hips scores with the dogs out of him with Quick there is a diference. Most of the MxQ dogs are Fast normal and have a ZW nº around 98, Hasca who's from the same litter of Hutch has a zw of 108 and her hips are rated "noch zugelassen" and when you look at the dogs out of MxN they have a zw under 80 and have their hips rated normal. Catch, Ziggy and Escha are all excellent dogs but if i had to choose a son of Max i would choose 1 out of Noery.|
by darylehret on 01 February 2012 - 01:34
|Well, I think that's a fair argument and don't mean to disrespect, but I have to say that ZW scores are unworthy of my attention. Not much different than averaging all the ancestor's and near relative's schutzhund scores, and thinking that will get you somewhere.|
I don't hold in low regard for the alternatives you're suggesting, and hips are certainly important in any breeding, but there is much else to consider as well. And there is simply no valid evidence that ZW scores are improving the breed since their implementation.
by darylehret on 07 February 2012 - 10:51
|This one scores a pretty high "COI", haha. I haven't yet, but as workingdogz chastised me for on some other thread, I will eventually get to my plans of conducting a father-daughter inbreeding of my Max son.|