German Shepherd Dog > WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! (98 replies)
by GSDguy08 on 23 January 2012 - 07:33
|Tiago, and whoever else may have sent a response, I'll read it in the morning. We just had some really bad weather come through our county with a reported tornado sighted and a lot of damage all around. Everything is good at our house, but it's been a long night.|
by workingdogz on 23 January 2012 - 11:04
|Surely those of you who were shocked/offended/incensed over the language|
and curtness of Steve realize, this is not something that goes on ALL through
an entire training session and for every handler?
I don't even think HE could cuss that long
I remember watching a helper in CA take the whip and pop the
HANDLER in the calves of his bare legs (no, not me-sorry to dissapoint).
This was done because after trying to nicely explain how important it was
for the handler to "be a post", (meaning STAND in ONE spot, don't MOVE),
the helper was almost bit more than once,
so he got fed up and cracked the handler with the whip.
It worked, the handler "woke up" and the helper was able to safely work the dog.
Maybe Steve can start a "Beyond Scared Straight-Schutzhund for novices" show
What Jetta didn't show is Steve working with youth handlers in all three phases-
his language cleaned up appropriately-totally different demeanor with youth.
Like the dogs he works, he reads each client/club member as an individual.
Jetta made a comment "I still have a few images I will never forget".
Then why didn't you comment on those AT the time?
Are you implying he was abusive to an animal?
If so, shame on him, but even bigger SHAME ON YOU
for not reporting it or saying something before,
instead of years after the fact.
You trained with Bill Kulla for awhile too didn't you Jetta?
Christ, Bill's not exactly a "choir boy" himself!
I'm sure like Steve, he has a colorful vocabulary.
The thing that I don't get, if people are offended by it,
then don't train with people like him.
Swearing/cussing etc is a part of daily life, like it or lump it.
GSDguy, you are right, likely no training is any "better" because
Steve cussed at someone,but I bet those handlers
"woke the f*ck up" real quick.
You are talking about heat of the moment incidents,
sure, I suppose there are many to use in Steve's case ,
but again, no one is forced to train with him.
I know in speaking with him recently, he has clients/club members
that travel 2+ hours to train with him, of their own free will-no court order etc!
Steve is not for everyone, but then again, neither are people like Wallace Payne,
Gary Hanrahan, Dean Calderon, T Floyd, Chris Carr, Cliff Benjamin, Lance Collins etc.
Those that can look past the sometimes heated discourse will
recieve pretty damn good training for both them AND their dog.
Not many helpers in this country have the gift of being able to guide
BOTH the dog & the handler at the same time, nor do they have the patience.
I give Steve credit for encouraging many novice handlers to work with their dogs,
age of dog/handler/experience/bloodlines etc don't matter.
Black, pink, purple he accepts any and all as they are,
so he should be granted the same courtesy.
by JudyK on 23 January 2012 - 12:39
|I posted the video because it makes the great training helpers out there look bad and it makes the sport look bad.|
Denise, it appears that you are saying that Steve is one of the great training helpers......... and why do you want to make the sport look bad?
It's a shame that someone would put together a video with clips from different training sessions to make a trainer look bad. The video is a lie and to post it is also a lie. Shame on everyone involved.
by workingdogz on 23 January 2012 - 13:00
|LMAO, I just watched it.|
Typical frustrated Steve. Not a big deal
Hey, walk in his shoes for a mile or two,
achieve a tenth of what his clients/club members have.
And again, these people all PAY & TRAVEL to train specifically
WITH Steve. Not court ordered either!
Whats even funnier is someone took the time to piece this all together.
Is the one who put it together the one named "Joby", if so, well, 'nuff said.
Joby is known in the mid-west, but not for accomplishments, moreso
for sitting back and telling everyone what alllll the others are doing wrong
It's a pity there is not more to the video, perhaps some footage showing
the handlers laughing at THEMSELVES after training, and everyone having
a good time.
I saw no abusive training, no shitty training, just heard some frustration
from a helper/coach.
If some of you think this is bad, you should try "Hell Week" or "Black Friday" at the academy.
And again, if it's too offensive for you, thats ok, don't train with someone like him.
It kind of reminds me of a trial years back when this 60+yr old "grandpa"
wearing coke bottle glasses, bad knees & a hearing aid
brought his big soft eared SchH3 male out, and for the Test of Courage
(yeah, I mentioned it was years back right? ), he proceeded to yell:
"Hey you, YOU, STOP GOG DAMMIT YOU DUMB SONOFABITCH OR I'LL SEND MY F*CKING DOG!!!"
Then, sent said dog with the command, "Get that c*cksucker, tear him up!"
SV Judge just laughed and shook his head when his wife translated for him
He did however remind the handler that he was losing points for "extra commands",
and what the actual commands were
And for what it's worth, I have actually heard ladies at club that could
give Steve a run for his money language wise
by THayna on 23 January 2012 - 18:35
|If anyone else has a comment to me pm me.|
Some people just don’t understand the concept of personal accountability . Denise, You are one of those people. I gave you the respect of PM years ago not anymore If you are going to attempt to trash someone who you trained with, not for the short time that you mentioned ,but for four(4) yrs because you were sent a link to an obviously edited video then you must accept the responsibility and realize that fallout goes along with that action. Steve is the same person he has always been. I believe he was one of the guys that drove to your apartment to help you move out when the complex had refused to renew your lease because Jetta kept attacking people walking by your first floor apartment. Evidently you didn’t understand that your dog had to be under control, but Steve was there to help you.
by workingdogz on 23 January 2012 - 18:46
Bet that smarts a little.
by Keith Grossman on 23 January 2012 - 21:31
by Jobyb2006 on 24 January 2012 - 21:35
|Video has been removed.|
It was hosted by me, for a day, because it came up on a working dog board, where there was a discussion going on about it.
I thought it was pretty funny myself.
I took an interest in it, becuase I have never witnessed this type of behavior from guy running a training group...and wanted to hear what people had to say about it.
I am sure he is a great helper, this video however, shows moments in time, that could lead someone to believe he is a total tool, for talking to people, and belittleing a new helper that way, in front of a group of people....for some, that is over the line, and not a good way to teach or to learn, for others it appears to be acceptable, even effective..
it is obviously put together to illicit a negative opinion of him, but hell it was him in the footage, not like it was fake..so to call it defamation or lies, is pretty silly..it is footage of the man, just like any other footage of someone that makes them look like a tool, it might not be accurate in the big scope of things, but video doesnt lie, this stuff did occur...
I do not know anyone involved, and did not make the video, just posted it for a day, to continue a discussion about it. All opinions are in, so now it is gone....
For the ladies that do train with him, are your husbands or boyfriends present at training, if so, how do they like it? most MEN I know would not allow someone to speak to their woman like that...
by Jenni78 on 24 January 2012 - 21:45
|Really insecure men might take exception, I suppose. I thought it was pretty funny, actually.|
As to your point about it not being "fake" ok, BUT, it's sooo out of context (spliced clips) that it certainly isn't what you'd call an accurate portrayal of the man.
How sad that people have that much time on their hands.
by remione1 on 24 January 2012 - 22:02
|I'm not insecure & would probably get in a bit of trouble if he talked like that to my mom, sister, girlfriend or any other female in front of me. It's a matter of respect for woman, nothing to do with schutzhund or training. He might be the best trainer in the world but comes off like a tool. I can get my point across to people pretty quick with a look & a couple words, none of them disrespectful like that. IMO|
by Jobyb2006 on 24 January 2012 - 22:30
do you work with this man? and does your hubby or BF attend training with you?
by Jenni78 on 24 January 2012 - 22:52
|No, I don't live in his area. My point, which seems to be missed, is that a few splices are by no means an indicator that he is like this 24/7 and only uses that language. I'm quite sure, if he was a vile person, that he would not have the following he does, and as far as language and respect, I don't disagree, but let's face it...do you see the white collar execs standing alone on a SchH field? No, it's an arena for a wide, um, variety, lol and I don't think the manner in which he speaks to anyone (women included) is nearly as demeaning as some of the creeps I've tried to get to work my dogs who just wanted to sleep with me, to be quite honest. |
As far as my husband/bf...I don't typically consult with others on matters such as who I will train my dogs with. I will train with whoever is best with my dogs. He can deal with it or not.
by Sheesh on 24 January 2012 - 22:52
|LMAO! To ask if the ladies' husbands or boyfriends are ever at training... cracks me up! I can only speak for myself.... as I am not behind closed doors with the others when they leave training.... I have been with Steve since day one when he came to MD... I had a very significant role in him deciding to move here permanantly. I have run our club with and without help for over 5 yrs, and am the VP of our current WDA club. Steve is the president and TD. I can assure you, my husband knows Steve very well. Steve has stayed at our house on many occasions, shared meals and many football games on the TV with us. My son, who is currently 9yrs old has adored him since day one, and Steve adores him just as much. He loooves to get aa bunch of kid tattoos and plaster them all over his arms and legs like Mr. Steve... he calls him "mini me" and it makes me smile. My husband has MUCH respect for me, and knows that if I ever felt like I was personally being insulted, I would immediately rectify the situation, and if I could not, I would ask for assistance. My husband also knows that the ramifications of anyone taking it upon themselves to intefere in an issue that I had, without being asked for help would be most unpleasant. I would also be very willing to bet that my dear hubby would want Steve with me in ANY type of bad situation, if he could not be there himself. ...but.. that's just me... Theresa Wolfe|
by workingdogz on 25 January 2012 - 00:03
|I have to laugh, I wonder how many inquiries Steve has had for training since this |
This is one of the best "commercials" he could have ever hoped to have.
To be fair to Steve, since this video is being bandied about on boards,
why not spend the same amount of time splicing together the parts where
he encourages his clients/club members etc? Helps kids with dogs?
How about some footage of him on the sidelines showing support for
his clients/club members trialling their dogs?
How about the hours of work he puts in getting dogs to be
successful after others have f*cked them up?
Naaah, that would be boring.
Better to show him in the heat of the moment
Some of you wanting to "rescue" these "poor women"
who are being verbally abused (and the men), should perhaps
give them more credit. If they really felt he was so hateful and nasty,
why would they go the distances they do to train with him?
by Jobyb2006 on 25 January 2012 - 00:48
|Cool Beans, like I said I didnt make the video or even know who these people are, just kept it up for a day, to continue a discussion of something most people dont encounter at training, on a different board.|
No biggie to me really, either way..to each his own...
The helper work looks good to me...
But if this is OK and normal behavior and no one has a problem with it, who cares if it is posted online then, whats the big deal why is everyone's panties in a bunch about it?
by Sheesh on 25 January 2012 - 00:58
|Workingdogz, Isn't it obvious? Our videographer is no longer trainingwith us.. ;-) Theresa|
by workingdogz on 25 January 2012 - 01:45
"Cool Beans, like I said I didnt make the video or even know who these people are, just kept it up for a day, to continue a discussion of something most people dont encounter at training, on a different board.
No biggie to me really, either way..to each his own..."
Have you trained with anyone thats accomplished anything?
Seriously? It's pretty evident you have never trained with guys like
Dean Calderon, Gary Hanrahan, T Floyd, Lance Collins, Doug Deacon etc etc.
They all yell at handlers too. And they even cuss sometimes! Oh the horrors!
It's the shock value of it, it makes people pay attention!
If it means the helper doesn't get bit because of a slack leash or a
handler "zoned out", then what works is what works!
Maybe you should contact some drill Sgt's etc too, they should perhaps
lighten up a little and watch their language too
Now, let's all join hands and sing campfire songs.
Sheesh, I would hope the videographer remembers the toes
they stepped on today,
they may well be attached to the ass
they will need to kiss tomorrow
by Sheesh on 25 January 2012 - 02:06
|Love that saying, will have to add it to my list. ;-)|
by Keith Grossman on 25 January 2012 - 12:44
|"I do not know anyone involved, and did not make the video, just posted it for a day, to continue a discussion about it."|
So who's the tool?
Some other places you might want to avoid so that your meat curtains don't get bruised include virtually any type of military training...the more elite the force, the more "abusive" the training is likely to be...and, of course, skydiving drop zones.
by Dawgone on 25 January 2012 - 14:46
"For the ladies that do train with him, are your husbands or boyfriends present at training, if so, how do they like it? most MEN I know would not allow someone to speak to their woman like that..." ROTFLMAO! Really?!?!?!