German Shepherd Dog > WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! (98 replies)
by VonIsengard on 23 January 2012 - 00:04
|Perhaps the video is not mobile enabled, I saw it from my home computer no problem. Must be nice to have the spare time to sit and edit a video just for spite. Swear words, big deal. Do you see any dogs being harmed? I've been instructed by a few people who were hard on me. It's rough when you're sensitive by nature, but rather than go home and cry about it I put on my big girl pants and got better, and thicker skinned.|
Quick edit: If you have a problem with profanity, bear in mind you don't know the relationship between the handlers and trainers here. I don't cuss in front of my training clients at work, but when I'm around friends I've known for years I have a quite a mouth, too. I don't know the relationships or context in this video, and neither do a lot of people commenting here. I doubt someone trained with him for 5 years and showed up one day and suddenly he was cussing. If you don't like someone's language, then you think to yourself, "Wow, this is isn't for me" and you don't go back. Who the hell gets so offended they video multiple training sessions for the sole purpose of splicing them together to post on youtube. It's like a schutzhund version of Mean Girls.
by JRANSOM on 23 January 2012 - 01:03
|For me it's not the language at all! I can swear with the best of them. It how it's said. It's not what you say, it's how you say it! That's just me though, and if I was spoken to like that I definately would stand up and say something. Especially if I'm paying him! JMHO.|
by JRANSOM on 23 January 2012 - 01:05
Also, I need to add that I don't need things sugar coated for me. Tell it to me how it is and I can handle it but don't speak to me like that!
by Sheesh on 23 January 2012 - 01:06
|Agreed 100% VonIsengard. And for the others, I have in fact trained with him for over 5yrs, and yes, you know within 5 minutes exactly where Steve is coming from. He doesn't pull punches, and he doesn't sugar coat. His language is colorful for sure, and it tends to get one's attention, but that is the intent. It is NOT personal. Some can see that clearly and can deal with it. Others cannot. The beauty is, NONE of the people in the videos were "drafted" into training with Steve. Everyone made the choice of their own free will. It's no different than anything else, different things motivate different people. Not everyone is suited for military boot camp, football, etc. Others are better suited for different motivators. If you don't like it, no problem, we wish you the very best! Theresa|
by workingdogz on 23 January 2012 - 01:16
|WOW is right!|
I didn't get to view the video, but, I'm sure Steve's language
was every bit as "colorful" as his tat's
Judging by the feedback, the video is a sour grapes attempt
at attacking Steve?
Silly, pathetic, and just plain sad.
I think he'll get a good chuckle out of this thread.
His language is rather colorful, but knowing him for several years,
he has never ever been know to sugar coat anything to anyone.
He will butt heads with his clients/clubmembers, but once you
leave the field it should be forgotten about and thats it.
He will also listen to what a client/student wants to do with their dog,
and as long as it's safe for the dog, he will try what the client/student wants.
As far as the language, think of it like "Vegas",
what happens on the training field stays on the field
I'm pretty sure his group is pretty happy with the caliber of both
bitework and obedience/tracking instruction they are getting.
I believe now Steve is training with many people who were essentially
ignored/mocked or turned away at other clubs because of their dogs are black & red,
or because they are/were novices.
Thumbs up to Steve to have the patience to guide his clients/students through
all three phases of the sport, and nudge them forward when ready to try for their titles.
Some of these same people could hardly figure out which way to put a fur saver on
when they started with him!
Too bad there aren't more "foul mouthed f*ckers" out there like him.
by Sheesh on 23 January 2012 - 01:27
|Absolutely correct Workingdogz, in every sense. Theresa|
by ILGSDs on 23 January 2012 - 02:10
|I see no problem with people letting out the hot air. IMO it makes them better teachers becase they arnt holding anything back.|
by GSDguy08 on 23 January 2012 - 02:29
|My question is, what does talking like that accomplish? I think it says a lot about a person, and not in a good way.... Sure he may tell it like it is, but isn't training about having fun with your dog? I've seen Chef Gordon Ramsey talk like this to people he's talking to , and while I think it's ridiculous in his case as well....at least the people he is talking to are in a situation where they need to wake up, change, and do better.......because their career depends on it......But for dog training, something that should be more about the fun with your dog? Really?|
by Keith Grossman on 23 January 2012 - 02:43
|Then don't train with him.|
by GSDguy08 on 23 January 2012 - 02:54
|Keith, you're avoiding my question.|
by VKGSDs on 23 January 2012 - 03:01
|I thought it was kind of funny. I've never trained with this guy and hell if I'm going to judge him based on two minutes of obviously biased footage. |
It kind of reminded me of back when I did gymnastics. You were *always* stupid and slow and fat and a moron and a waste of space, lol, and I couldn't blame imperfection on a dog. The day we weren't getting constantly lambasted meant something was *really* wrong!
by ILGSDs on 23 January 2012 - 03:26
|I think they reuploaded the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLxfDBFNbTQ|
I have to say I found it entertaining. I would train with him.
by Doberdoodle on 23 January 2012 - 03:31
|I think your silly video may have had the opposite effect from what you intended.|
Now I want to train with Steve H even more...
He is hilarious.
by JudyK on 23 January 2012 - 03:47
|Doberdoodle, YOU are hilarious. LOL|
by Dog1 on 23 January 2012 - 03:57
|I see a couple people that I know have been with him for years in the video. Not sure why Denise would take the time to put this together then post and run. They were in the same club in Harvard, IL years ago.|
Fortunately Steve has been around long enough for those that know him to understand. My first encounter,,,he told me I had a good dog but I was her problem. Need to be stroked, please don't go to Steve. Need you/your dog trained. Look him up.
by Tiago on 23 January 2012 - 04:06
|GSDguy08... Think of Steve AS the Gordon Ramsey of the dog world, but working with less experienced people. He does what he does and says what he says to wake them up and change them for the better. Dog training can depend on a moment. He says what he does to get through to people right away. A dog can pick up bad habits or incorrect positions or timing if a handler does not do things at a moments notice. A helper or handler can be injured if the handler is not listening and paying attention. Don't beat me up for this statement because I am one myself, but show people may not understand these things as much as working people and may be a little more lax when they handle a dog. And newbies with very drivey working dogs can be dangerous, so it CAN be necessary to have a helper like Steve. So what if there is swearing. No one knows what context any of those cuts where in on the video other than the people there. It's a vendetta one person has with him, wanting to make him look bad, but you can't take anything from that video alone without seeing the rest of the sessions to know WHY he said what he said.|
Does that answer your question?
by ILGSDs on 23 January 2012 - 04:18
|I know there are trainers out there willing to smile and talk nice to people who want to have fun and be praised. They dont swear because they are too busy keeping the saliva in their mouths thinking about all the $$ training sessions $$ your going to need.|
by GSDPACK on 23 January 2012 - 04:20
|I could not view the first video and in the second one I had Brian Adams singing to me so I only watched the work.... and I like what I saw! That man knows dogs and he works for the dog!|
My helper throws things at me sometimes when I have an off day handling... dearest friend one could ask for. The good thing is, we can choose who we work with and if people don't like something, they can find somebody else.
Happy training, I had a great day without getting hit by a stick, my helper decided to kill me by having me do tons of running left turns today! And then he called me to make sure I am ready for more next week.... :o). While he drills me, he sure laughs a lot when I trip and face plant it here and there. He told me that the handler can't be more scattered then the dog!
I am done crying now!
by jettasmom on 23 January 2012 - 05:12
Since you mentioned my name I can respond to your accusation. I did not make or edit that video it was sent to me by someone else. I trained with him years ago for a short time one on one not years, he was a member of the same club I was, not happy and left. He never talked to me the way he has to those people in the video, he knew better. I have witnessed his training with others in the club, if people like that kind of training go for it. I still have a few images in my head that I will never forget.
I posted the video because it makes the great training helpers out there look bad and it makes the sport look bad. Does anyone really think this video is a represenation for the youth in the sport. I was very surprised to see this on youtube but not surprised who was in the video.
If anyone else has a comment to me pm me.
by SitasMom on 23 January 2012 - 05:31
If I lived close enough, I would train with him. I'd rather be told when I'm f-cking up, then do the same thing for years and not know any better.......