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by vomtreuenhaus on 30 January 2012 - 22:11 |
| I ask about his pedigree because I also have a dog from Mittelwest, just wanted to check out his pedigree and see if there are any related dogs so I could watch for AF (in the event it would be hereditary) in mine. I'm glad I could help, NV Also has a Bison raw diet. Primal complete raw diet has all sorts of funky exotic protiens, so does Bravo :) Let us know what the other vet says for sure! |
vomtreuenhaus by Nans gsd on 31 January 2012 - 00:17 |
| Definite NO on Royal Canin; and if Prince has allergies like you say I would be very careful with Natures Variety; it has flax and 2 of my 4 dogs CANNOT take flax, or any type, oil, seed, etc. etc. That is why I chose Bravo over Natures Variety, a much cleaner formula without any flax or ground?? whatever's. JMHO Nan |
by Ruger1 on 31 January 2012 - 01:05 | ||
Nan,,here is a list of the ingredients of the Orjen Prince has been on for about 6 months or so ...
Is it safe to say flax is not Princes problem as none are listed in the ingredient list above?/// | ||
Ruger1 by Ruger1 on 31 January 2012 - 01:25 |
| I had both vets return my call today and both sound great!!.. Both are from the same well respected animal hospital that has experience with AF,,One of the vets is a surgeon and the other a holistic vet..?? decisions. decisions..I am thinking about going with the holistic vet first..And seeing the surgeon as a last resort?...Opinions??,,,:) |
by hunger4justice on 31 January 2012 - 01:37 |
| That sounds like a wonderful plan...that way, even if you do see the surgeon you'll have something else to consider while assessing his opinion! |
hunger4justice by Nans gsd on 31 January 2012 - 16:03 |
| I think the ingredients sound good; however, there are a lot of different proteins as you stated and possibly one protein source would be better for him. But his problem did not start with this food. You said he has had this problem for some time. What was he eating when the problem started? I would go back and investigate that food, what was the meat source and when did the foul smelly problem start and what was he eating? Go from there, but I will say this; when my girl had the problem I did have to find a food that worked for her and I ended up with a single source protein of fish from Solid Gold along with homecooked chicken/vegi's; only a very small amount of kibble per day. Sometimes it is the type of fiber, or not enough fiber and of course if there is any allergies which becomes a problem. Best of luck with your new vet's; let us know what they have to say. Nan |
by shepherdhope on 31 January 2012 - 16:35 |
| I think holistic is the way to go then you have gone through all the treatments before surgery. Keira was treated homoeopathicly for many years. She couldn't have any of the other medications or surgery. Only one concern about raw is that stools can become to hard then you might need to add an oil. Kee was fine on the raw until she was around 10 then we had swapped her to Nature Diet a wet food with No nasties. She had the AF from around 7 1/2 years old. |
by Ruger1 on 31 January 2012 - 17:43 |
| I have done a little research on the last foods Prince has been on ..Here are the ingredients below..FWI while on TOTW it was at it's worst (the dirty butt) and and while on Royal Canin it was at its best. I only changed from Royal Canin because I did not care for the ingredients. However, with all foods listed below he has had a problem except Royal Canin. When I feed salmon from the can I think it might get even worse now that I am reflecting back on it...The common denomanator looks like salmon/fish????... Earthborn Primitive Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Whitefish Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Tomato Pomace, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Peas, Spinach, Garlic, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Taurine, Cottage Cheese,TOTW Pacific Stream.. TOTW Pacific Stream Salmon, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, canola oil, salmon meal, smoked salmon, potato fiber, natural flavor, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca Natural Balance Fish and Sweet Potato Sweet Potatoes, Salmon, Salmon Meal, Canola Oil, Potato Fiber, Natural Flavor, Sodium Chloride, Salmon Oil (a source of DHA), Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Methionine, Choline Chloride, Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Orjen Adult (current diet ) Fresh boneless chicken*, chicken meal, fresh boneless salmon*, turkey meal, herring meal, russet potato, peas, sweet potato, fresh boneless turkey*, fresh whole eggs*, fresh chicken liver*, fresh boneless lake whitefish*, fresh boneless walleye*, sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), organic kelp, pumpkin, chicory root, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, blueberries, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, thiamine Royal Canin German Shepherd Puppy 30 Chicken meal, rice, oatmeal, brown rice, corn gluten meal, wheat gluten meal, chicken fat, natural chicken flavor, dried beet pulp (sugar removed), sodium silico aluminate, anchovy oil (source of EPA/DHA), dried egg product, fructo-oligosaccharides, psyllium seed husk, soya oil, potassium chloride, salt, sodium tripolyphosphate, L-lysine, taurine, dried brewers yeast extract |
by Alaina38 on 31 January 2012 - 18:05 |
| Actually I know two of the dogs in your dogs pedigree had PF. Which the breeder is very aware of. Maxi vom Mittlewest and Jaguar von der Mausespitz |
by Ruger1 on 31 January 2012 - 18:17 |
| Alaina38, I am not sure how to respond. That makes me very sad to hear if it is true. Not that you would be intentionally dishonest, but can you tell me how you now this?,,You can PM if you feel that is more appropriate. Thanks |
by Alaina38 on 31 January 2012 - 18:32 |
| I am happy to tell you how I know. When I purchased Maxi from Julie she was sent confirmed pregnant not long after she arrived I noticed she had PF. I was a licensed vet tch for 15 years and new what it was the second I saw it. At this time there was little info on how dogs got this. As far as Jaguar I knew the women who imported him from Germany she only lived about 30 minutes from me and we were friends at the time I had just moved to the area. When your breeder was told about Jaguar she was over the top furious because she had many dealings with his breeder in Germany and I was there for that conversation. |
by Ruger1 on 31 January 2012 - 18:40 |
Thank you for telling me..What ever happened to Maxi and Jaguar?.. |
by Ruger1 on 31 January 2012 - 19:12 |
| Just to clarify I re read the email between me and Prince's breeder. The breeders exact words with regard to Prince's being diagnosed with fistulas was " I have not heard of dogs with fistulas for years and years"...FWIW.. |
by Red Sable on 31 January 2012 - 19:28 |
Both in the 3rd generation on the fathers side.  |
Red Sable by Nans gsd on 31 January 2012 - 21:12 |
| If you are talking grandparent that explains a lot; that 3rd generation if there is anything bad to pass it sure seems to happen then. That's the shit's. Boy talking about burying your head in the sand. Well Ruger 1 there may be your answers. But it still does not mean you can't manage this conditon; I know it can be managed with proper care and knowledge. Best of luck Nan For what it is worth; I tried all of the foods you listed except Earthborn and NONE of them worked for my dogs, and at that time I had 5; they all looked like hell, rotten teeth or teeth were in the process of rotting; lots and lots of stool, one day runny the next day OK, the next blow out squirts, etc, etc. I finally gave up and this is why I went to raw, no more problems, no more dentals on my old guys, my 13 year old girl was having to have a dental twice per year at $700.00 each dental my older skinny boy at least once per year; the list goes on and on of problems on kibble alone, now I never did try feeding kibble one meal and raw the next for convenience; that might help or at least be better for Prince. I know some people on this forum do feed both and I stay away from canned anything most of the time because of the salt content. And canned salmon is rich. May be one of the culprits. Do a process of elimination if nothing else try to remember what worked best for him. BOL Nan PS: It is possible that fish or any kind might be the culprit, food for thought. Another reason why I like raw, you have total control of everything your dog(s) eat. Everything. What about Honest Kitchen? I had great luck with it and again you have total control of what he is eating, not a lot of unknown extras they don't need or use. N |
by Ruger1 on 31 January 2012 - 22:15 |
This is a discouraging bit of information. There is nothing to be done about it now, but at least I can know what I am dealing with..Thanks you Alaina for your posts and Pm's.. |
by Nans gsd on 01 February 2012 - 02:27 |
| Maybe not all things are passed on thru 3 generations but inheritible diseases, HD/Ed/DM/Eyes/cardio/thyroid/VWD/ can and likely will be passed on from 3 generations; grandparents are very very dominant. Also temperament/structure/movement/fear aggression/drives, etc. things like that. SOMETIMES comes through more than the direct parantage. Amazing, huh. Great days ahead, Nan |
by LadyFrost on 02 February 2012 - 16:56 |
| just as an FYI...out of 3 dogs that are non related in any way all 3 of mine cannot process fish...even left overs from steamed salmon would give them diarrhea....i have never tried canned salmon because i did not want to kill them..LOL.. |
LadyFrost by ILGSDs on 03 February 2012 - 04:42 |
| I have heard about it before its a big thing with racehorse breeders especially the grandmother on the mothers side |
by Ruger1 on 16 February 2012 - 16:38 |
| Hello,,Today we go to the holistic vet,, I am anxious for them to examine Prince and give me their opinions,,Prince has been doing well. The 3 small fistulas have closed a tiny bit and the area appears much less swollen. I am still hoping that they are caused by an anal gland issue. We will see... I am very interested in talking with the vet about nutrition/possibly raw..I called our local meat supplier and lamb is running $5.79/lb >Ouch<...I told him I wanted to buy a large quantity and he suggested buying an older sheep??,,Is sheep going to be different then lamb???,,Never heard of eating sheep... Thanks for all the encouragement and input when I was dealing with the initial shock and concern..I will update later...Thanks..:) |
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