German Shepherd Dog > buyers responsibility (19 replies)
by sable59 on 20 January 2012 - 19:53
|as a person who owns a kennel(inactive) i know very well what my actions may bring upon me.|
what about the buyers who lead you down the straight and narrow only to dump you once the work is done.
should their names be posted on a world wide forum as their actions are also very much a part of this sell-buy thing.
they take up hours of your time,and money and ...poof they are gone.
it is not always the seller that is an a-hole but we get slammed if we miss anything.
i am not defending anyone but, hell, fair is fair.
by melba on 20 January 2012 - 20:16
|Buyers should be held just as accountable as breeders!|
by remione1 on 20 January 2012 - 20:41
|Isn't that what deposits are for?|
Or am I misunderstanding what your saying?
by melba on 20 January 2012 - 20:50
|After the sale:|
Buyer has just as much responsibility to uphold their end of the contract as the seller does theirs. And
if you don't agree with or understand the contract, then don't sign it and don't buy the dog. SIMPLE!
OR ask that the contract be renegotiated, to include or eliminate parts... what is the worst that can happen?
The breeder says no and you buy from someone else.
by clee27 on 20 January 2012 - 21:15
|Well, as a buyer I take responsibility for my choices, I have never imported a pup and probably won't, so there's probably a difference. Once I bring my puppy home, they are there for their lifetime and the only other contact I've had with a breeder is updates and pictures. If I promise to do something, I do it. If there are serial nut jobs that bounce from breeder to breeder causing trouble or trying to scam, I don't see why they should not be exposed.|
by Jenni78 on 20 January 2012 - 22:37
|Wade, that's just how people are these days. Everyone is out for themselves, common courtesy is quite uncommon, and "buyers" think NOTHING of asking your advice, input, opinions, information, etc. for sometimes a couple YEARS before they're really ready, and if you're lucky, they'll thank you for it. Often, they won't. If you don't want to spend countless wasted hours on flaky people, then it's best you don't deal with the public. We have a huge problem with a sense of entitlement in this society, imo. Sellers/breeders are the enemy, and it's a buyer's right to take full advantage. Personally, I don't mind talking to people who have no intention of buying a dog, but I don't blame people who get angry about it, either. Then again, I don't know diddly....|
by Rik on 21 January 2012 - 15:51
From a strictly business perspective, if someone is going to offer a product to the public, then they are going to have to deal with the public. This is going to include a lot of "tire kickers", novice and inexperienced buyers and some who are not serious at all. I don't see any way around this.
by sable59 on 21 January 2012 - 16:00
|reimone, i have done buisness with this guy befor. as a matter of fact he has purchased 1 dog and 2 pups in the past. i thought when he called and asked for this bitch, i did't need a deposit as i trusted him'|
it is sad but today it seems no one'e word is a bond.
i think at 62 years old i would have learned. i still like to think there is honest people on this planet ,though..
i have held this bitch for almost 4 months and today was delivery time and this sucker,steve linkowski, never even had the decency to call me and let me know he was not going to meet me as skeduked. i had confirmed 2 weeks ago with him this date. don harris is well aware of this deal as he wanted the bitch then too.
that is the reason for this post, to bring awarness that buyers that do this should and will be named on a world wide forum. this may save someone elst the time and money from dealing with such people.
rik, a phone call is not much to ask for. it seems you are one of those people that regardless of what happens, blame the breeder or seller.
by Jenni78 on 21 January 2012 - 16:27
|Wade, you just can't seem to keep away from bizarre inferences based on your own misunderstanding, can you?|
by Rik on 21 January 2012 - 17:23
|sable, I replied to a post in general terms that you posted in general terms. looking back over it, I see nothing that would have indicated that you were speaking of a specific incident or person.|
If things happened as you say, then yes, I would think you have been defrauded, mislead, lied to, whatever. I don't blame you for feeling put upon.
I do think you would have gotten a different response if you had described the incident in the beginning. and never forget, "things are not always as they seem"
by Gusmanda on 22 January 2012 - 02:56
|I think it's fair game to name trouble-buyers. Buyers seem to have no issues taking their issues with sellers to the forum, should be ok the other way around. Noticed a large amount of the posters in this forum are breeders, so they'll probably benefit from hearing about others bad experiences.|
by sable59 on 22 January 2012 - 16:31
|i agree rik, i should have ststed what i said more clearly. jenn, youare right but my trusting nature always seems to come back and haunt me.|
i am honest with people and i just want people to treat me the same and i think i am asking to much.
enough said, i have exposed this person for what he is and i hope this will make people more aware of people like this.
by Jenni78 on 22 January 2012 - 17:06
|Wade, if you're not going to change your nature, then you have to change how you look at things. You can't let what you can't control bother you. I have lots of people who pick my brain and are very time-consuming and I take it as a compliment and then I don't have any expectations and am not disappointed if I don't "gain" anything from it. I figure, if I helped them out, the ultimately, I helped a dog...and let's face it....I'm much more motivated by helping dogs than people.|
by sable59 on 22 January 2012 - 17:28
|jenn,my trusting nature is me. if i change my heart and my way of believing i would not be wade now would i?|
i was raised that way and i guess i will die that way.
that don.t mean that i trust everone. sometimes i get suckered in and i am very verbal about it if i do.
i have been in several industries and have been dealing with the public all my life and i still have a trust of people and believe and hope that there is good out there that will prevail.
by Jenni78 on 22 January 2012 - 17:55
|LOL. I didn't mean you SHOULD change your nature. I only meant that since you weren't going to change that, then a change of perspective would help you not waste energy on being angry at people who are just less courteous and considerate. |
by sable59 on 23 January 2012 - 17:13
|jenn, you hit the nail on the head again. i just have a hard time with dishonest people or users.|
i am somewhat glad about the sale because she is too good a bitch for a smuck to have anyway.
i do get angry but i get over it in a month or so. i do not hold grudges as it will eat you alive. i try and get even!!
by nwpadogman on 21 February 2012 - 00:05
i am also writing to warn people of this lowlife steve linkowski jr from averill pa ....bounced checks dumped dogs bred an 8 yr old dog ..used an 7 month old dog for stud ....has screwed many people ...google his name ......this guys a criminal so now he is getting into the dog business ....has bought 8-10 dogs this yr ......dumped a pregant dog at my house ....she was to be spayed ....brought her back pregant 8 yrs old tells me shit happens ....conned an old lady out of her life savings ....using a famous kennel name telling people he imported them ......i called him about the bounced check he called cops ...cops told me he is a crook ....he is swiching paperwork on dogs ......he knows who i am .....and he is welcome to come talk about with me ......30 yrs no one ever bounced a check ......this guy is a real p.o.s.
by nwpadogman on 21 February 2012 - 06:29
steve linkowski jr averill pa wrote a check on a closed account money manager is a theif his own company sued him google him
by guddu on 21 February 2012 - 11:18
|This approach to name tire kickers is bad for business. Sellers should take a deposit before taking the buyer seriously. No different from buying a house. You are a serious buyer after you pay the deposit. If otoh you discuss with client without a deposit, then you should not complain. Buyers many times go to a shop, talk to the sales rep, and then come out with out a sale....cost of doing business. The reality is that the customer is always right....a pissed off customer can cause serious damage to a breeders name.... ...|
by nwpadogman on 21 February 2012 - 22:55
|steve linkowski wrote checks on closed account had his business liscense suspended for 5 yrs ....look at the amount of people suing him the number of people he scammed ...now he is in the dog business ....whatever rock your hiding under give me a call steve ....would love to catch up with you|