So your dog is not perfect?

German Shepherd Dog > So your dog is not perfect? (92 replies)

by hexe on 17 January 2012 - 18:08	hexe Posts: 2423 Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2003 02:31 am
Hans, if you'd posted this link with a title that wasn't a slap in the face to anyone who'd ever received a dog with one or more serious structural issues and had to make heartbreaking decisions as a result, my view of your post would have been different. If you'd confined your comments to an appreciation of how well the young lady in the video was doing in teaching the dog the skills he needs in his career as her service dog, my view of the post would be different. But you didn't. Your post title mocks all those who purchased their dream puppy and then learned that the dog was destined to live it's life in unrelenting pain unless one of two options was chosen: end the dog's life (which is what would happen in most cases if the dog was returned to the breeder), or commit to the expenditure of thousands of dollars for medical intervention to address the problem. You insinuated that the 'disappointment' one might feel over the fact that a dog's ears were weak was in the same league as that experienced by someone whose dream dog came with serious physical defects, exhorting the latter to 'look to this video' when their dog's misfortunes made them sad. Perhaps all of that was unintentional, and you are guilty only of choosing your words unthinkingly. Sadly, I believe your dexterity with English is stellar enough that you knew exactly what knives would be turned in what wounds. THAT disappoints me...but I expect that of our species, so no surprises there for me. WRT to anonymity, I have nothing to sell, I don't breed or broker dogs, and I don't run any kind of business that would make it necessary or beneficial for me to hang my government name out in cyberspace for all and sundry to know. When there is a specific need for someone to know the specifics, that info is provided to them privately, and there are many here who do know it. My user name is the same for virtually every forum or venue I belong to, be it a site for dog owners, cell phone owners, Nissan Frontier truck owners, and so forth--so IMO, I'm far from anonymous just because I chose not to publicly use my government name.
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by destiny4u on 17 January 2012 - 18:28	destiny4u Posts: 633 Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2011 06:44 am
so had crissy given her dog back to the breeder she would never have been able to live with herself because it would have been put to sleep. So she didnt really have a choice? she cant just replace her dog knowing it will be happy and safe some place else in her eyes she only had one choice she was trapped.
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by Red Sable on 17 January 2012 - 19:19	Red Sable Posts: 5433 Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 09:55 pm
Hexe, great posts- as usual.
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by judron55 on 17 January 2012 - 19:27	judron55 Posts: 1434 Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 01:05 am
Hexe...you know how I feel about you...honest and forthcoming as usual...that's why I love you...Hope all is well with you and yours:-)
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by mentayflor on 17 January 2012 - 19:27

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Hi Prager,
I'm not against the help (use) of animals in handicapped persons. I have had a close experience with two friends of mine who give a small horse who had been mistreated to a school of handicap children, the horse lives in a large park and now is too happy. But there are cases that the animals are taken from their habitat and turned into slaves, such small monkies, etc.
When I read the end of the video I felt depressed And I would like people speak in the name of the puppy.
I f you say that you show this video to people who want to give you back the dog or dump him/her because he/her is not what they expected, in order to think about , you may suggest them not to think of dumping their puppy instead.
I'm not a troll nor anonymous, you can see my name and more info in my facebook if you want to.

http://www.facebook.com/MENTAYFLOR?ref=name
(sorry for my english)

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by LadyFrost on 17 January 2012 - 19:56	LadyFrost Posts: 2040 Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 02:28 pm
LOOOOOL....I love this place....the essence does not change....just targets and targetees.......but every time i come back and read it feels just the same as it did the first time...little insane, little crazy, helpful, funny, entertaining and familiar... just wanted to say "thanks guys".... :)
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by Abby Normal on 17 January 2012 - 20:38	Abby Normal Posts: 1831 Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2010 09:35 am
Spot on Hexe
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by Ace952 on 17 January 2012 - 22:11

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Ok let me add to this....

   The woman in the video is named Myra. She is the owner of all4pawsdogtraining. i met Myra this past summer at a dog festival. Myra was in a wheelchair accompanied with 2 other people. Myra stopped me as she really loved the looks of my dog Jax.

   Myra trains dogs from puppies to prepare them for service work. She loves German Shepherds but always came into contact with showlines who didn't have the nerve to perform service work. I spent 30+ minutes talking to her about Jax, where I got him from, his lines and temperament.

   She was very impressed with all of this as well as Jax structure and how nice he waa despite all going around and he was only 1 yr old. I told Myra that I trained with Hans and it would be no issue at all to find a puppy with the temperament she needs.

      Myra was concerned about the price as Hans puppies are $1800+750 for shipping. I told her that for what she is doing son't worry about price and we can get you a puppy at a reasonable price. She gave me her business card and we parted ways.

      Later that day i called Hans and let him know. i saw it as a great way to at the very least be a PR move and at the most, help someone out. When i let Hans know, he asked me how much money was she willing to spend. I told him she couldn't afford his regular price and in response he said that he couldn't help as he didn't have any puppies at and discounted prices. He took her contact info anyways and said he would reach out to her.

       The dog in question, is (if im not mistaken) as Hans said a dog someone gave to him. they bred it and then gave to Hans as a sort of thank you. Hans mentioned that he didn't want the dog as he already has too many and the ears didnt stand up.

      It is nice to see that the dog is actually out and with someone doing something than just sitting. I think this whole thread is in poor taste by its creation. The only person who knows why they made it is Hans and everything else is speculation.

      I dont believe that it was made as a feel good but rather a clean up on image after the Chrissy screw up. It is ashame that Myra is put out there like this as a image clean up.

      I'm amazed at this especially given Hans negative views on handicapped people. As he has mentioned, handicapped people are a pain to sell dogs to. 9/10 want someone to kiss their ass or want a handout and use their handicap as a crutch.Now Hans mentions there are "good" handicapped people who do things on their own and dont always look for handouts but that is a minority....only 10% in his dealings.

      Looking back now, I wosh I would have given her the name of a few breeders who could have given her a puppy that would be used to help someone. A puppy who isn't given away because they don't do have a value due to birth defects but rather a dog who could be sold fortop price but instead given for a worthy cause. If there are spelling mistakes please forgive me as i typed all this on my phone.

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by Ace952 on 17 January 2012 - 22:21	Ace952 Posts: 1253 Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2010 02:44 am
i made the entry with paragraphs but for some reason doing this on my phone it doesnt recognize it. Mods please break into paragraphs as im in a all day meeting.
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by Carlin on 17 January 2012 - 22:43	Carlin Posts: 330 Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 06:58 pm
Great...more breeder on breeder hate crime. I would think that if anyone would understand the catch 22's a dog breeder may run into, it would be another dog breeder. I'm not picking a side, just amazed at all the love around here lately for Hans and Jenni :-) . Wonder who the next victim shall be...
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by Slamdunc on 17 January 2012 - 22:45	Slamdunc Posts: 4461 Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:46 am
Ace, Thanks for sharing that story about Myra. I agree that she is pretty amazing and an excellent trainer. hexe, Spot on as usual. Jim
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by Slamdunc on 17 January 2012 - 22:47	Slamdunc Posts: 4461 Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:46 am
Carlin, Have you read the "hips" thread? Do you even understand why people are upset with Hans? Please don't bring Jenni into this it has nothing to do with her. If need be I can give you a couple of clues or draw you a map.
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by Carlin on 17 January 2012 - 23:05	Carlin Posts: 330 Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 06:58 pm
@slam -yes, I understand completely, and have read the thread. Did you read where I wrote "not picking a side" ? That means, whether or not I agree or disagree, it is.not relevant to the point. The point is simply that for a group of people who face similar challenges, among whom I do not believe there is one beyond reproach, they are awful quick to pull the trigger on someone. A lot of this stuff goes beyond what is necessary. Advice is welcome always, but kindly refrain from the bullying; it's really not becoming, and probably isn't going ti work out for you. Jenni's a big girl, she can take care of herself.
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by Slamdunc on 17 January 2012 - 23:13	Slamdunc Posts: 4461 Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:46 am
I wasn't bullying anyone, there is *nothing to work out* for me. Sometimes people need to take sides and do what they think is right. Bad things happen when good people stand by and watch.
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by Jenni78 on 17 January 2012 - 23:38	Jenni78 Posts: 5687 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
Sure I can take care of myself, but why should I get dragged into a thread that has nothing to do with me just to do so?
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by Carlin on 17 January 2012 - 23:40	Carlin Posts: 330 Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 06:58 pm
@ slam...I don't disagree with that. I am glad she had recourse and things worked out for her. It looks totally asinine when individuals are casually vilified here. In some cases, their livelihoods lye in the balance. From what little I have gleaned thus far, Hans provides wealth of information here, while other members, whose relative knowledge and experience fills a thimble, makes a.part time job out if lighting up the forum with mud slinging.
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by Carlin on 17 January 2012 - 23:42	Carlin Posts: 330 Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 06:58 pm
Jenni- couldn't help that you came to mind in the realm of personal vendetta's.
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by aaykay on 18 January 2012 - 01:28	aaykay Posts: 391 Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:46 am
@ slam...I don't disagree with that. I am glad she had recourse and things worked out for her. It looks totally asinine when individuals are casually vilified here. In some cases, their livelihoods lye in the balance. Spot on. From what little I have gleaned thus far, Hans provides wealth of information here, while other members, whose relative knowledge and experience fills a thimble, makes a.part time job out if lighting up the forum with mud slinging. Agree, totally. The serial bullies in particular, just irritate me no end. As stated above, for some of them, the anonymity offered by the internet, allows them to indulge in obnoxious behavior, without any consequences.
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by aaykay on 18 January 2012 - 01:35	aaykay Posts: 391 Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:46 am
Sometimes people need to take sides and do what they think is right. Bad things happen when good people stand by and watch. Agreed. Now what has happened is in the past, as far as I am concerned, and over and done with. Time to move onto other things ? Why not give the benefit of the doubt and simply take the current thread at face value ?
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by Ace952 on 18 January 2012 - 02:01

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by Carlin on 17 January 2012 - 23:01

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.....It looks totally asinine when individuals are casually vilified here. In some cases, their livelihoods lye in the balance. From what little I have gleaned thus far, Hans provides wealth of information here, while other members, whose relative knowledge and experience fills a thimble, makes a.part time job out if lighting up the forum with mud slinging.

Carlin,

You bring up a good point. You mention that with some breeders, "...their livelihoods lye in the balance..." Such a true comment. This also means that that person or persons should work hard to maintain that their image and reputation stay in tact. How does one accomplish that? By making sure that the business they run has a positive image. 1st rule of customer service...the customer is always right. Listen, show empathy and find a solution. Do your best to avoid bad press. Don't make decisions which could effect your livelihood.

As you said Carlin, "...from what little I have gleaned thus far..." You admit to not being around long enough to see a lot of things. That same thimble that you mention seems to be the same cup that you hold in your hand. From your POV things seem harsh and I can certainly see that. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. There are many who have seen more than you have. Sometimes you have to take time out to research and come up with your own conclusion.

Yes, Hans does provide a wealth of information but so do many others on this forum and others. There are many who have a lot more knoledge than Hans that don't have the black cloud above them. Just because someone has a lot of knowledge does it mean they really know a lot or you should dismiss actions that may have happened? As it is always said on here, do your homework and as long as your happy with your decision then great.

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