German Shepherd Dog > Since it's been mentioned- can anyone define what a "World Class Dog" is? (46 replies)
by windwalker18 on 10 January 2012 - 23:27
|To go a small step farther... in working dogs there is also|
TITLEABLE... can get a Schtuzhund I
TITLEABLE... can get up to a Schutzhund III title at least once
COMPETITIVE... can not only GET a SchHIII, but can repeatedly qualify for it and when shown at club Level can place in the top few placements.
World Class/National Class... can compete and qualify SchHIII repeatedly and be competitive to place in the top few places
I think MOST dogs are able to title if trained properly or if trained by someone who can balance where they weak. A much larger portion lie in the middle where they could get up to SchH III... but few are competitive... and a very RARE few can compete at a National or World level.
by GSDPACK on 10 January 2012 - 23:31
|My cat is world class......... at least she thinks she is!|
by beetree on 10 January 2012 - 23:38
|Big Y calls itself a "World Class Market", they are the seller, not the consumer. Just sayin'. Same with every advertisement I've ever seen. The one's calling themselves "World Class" are the sellers, not the consumers. Sellers=breeders in this instance. Certainly a buyer is sold a "world class dog" or a pup from a "world class breeding".|
That "World Class" pet cat is awesome. I defer to the cat!
by Sirius Black on 11 January 2012 - 00:00
|World Class, Master Trainer, etc.|
Terms that really mean nothing. I have noticed that the people who are truly great trainers, never call themselves "Master Trainers". (or the one's the I know of).
World Class - I would think that means the dog has competed at World level competitions consistently, can be handled by anyone despite their level of handling ability, etc. Then again I have seen this term used on dogs with none that I mentioned.
by workingdogz on 11 January 2012 - 00:37
|This is good feedback, I agree with several posters, to me, "World Class" means a dog|
that has placed at a high level of competiton, be it show or work.
The bitch GSDPACK used as an example is also to me a "World Class" dog I suppose,
by that I mean if I had to use that terminology to describe the dog.
Some good definitions have been given by Red Sable, Blitzen, charity, remione1 etc.
Rik also cited a good example with Javir, in fact his whole litter was a very successful breeding!
And yes, many older established kennels could thereby use "World Class" in their ads too,
as they have consistently produced dogs that not only win, but go on to produce winners!
At least I am glad to know the term is viewed by others as overused.
Ok, another irritation:
How does a breeder that has never titled a dog in any format turn around and claim
a litter is capable of schutzhund, police k9, conformation champion etc?
One of my "favorite" lines is "Oh, he/she could easily do _____________"
Really? then go do it!
Afterall, most know how "easy" it is to title in almost every sport
by Chaz Reinhold on 11 January 2012 - 00:42
|World class to me, means a dog that not only competes, but does well in international competition. Being the only dog to represent some small island at the WUSV and placing 97th doesn't scream world class. Everything else should be called "potential". Having dogs in your pedigree that have a WUSV winner doesn't make your dog squat, but "potential".|
by GSDPACK on 11 January 2012 - 00:58
|Chaz...do you think my cat has a potential? She sure is agile as you see, she retrieves also.....|
Where did Will go?
by Nadeem6 on 11 January 2012 - 01:06
|Cat potential, hmmm. First lets see a nice hold and meow and then we say it has potential.|
by Red Sable on 11 January 2012 - 01:11
by Rik on 11 January 2012 - 01:17
WDZ, anyone can say anything in an ad to sell puppies.
by Gildaf on 11 January 2012 - 01:22
|GSDPack...the bigger question is...Can that cat do a "Meow and Hold"? Can that cat track? Lets see some stacked pics!|
by workingdogz on 11 January 2012 - 01:33
|Don't you know Gildaf?|
Just trust what GSDPACK says,
that cat is a World Class Working Cat!
by workingdogz on 11 January 2012 - 01:34
I agree with you completely about doing not saying!
At the end of the day, talk is cheap, facts are priceless!
by frankm205 on 11 January 2012 - 01:41
|I dont think anyone can determine that a liiter will be able to do sport or police work until they are evaluated and worked. I have only put a SCh 1 on a dog and a ring one on another so I 'm not a big competitor either. I have trained many police K9s and can tell you that some dogs you think are going to do great don't and others you think are going to crap out turn into top dogs. I think genetics have alot to do with it but I also feel that good handling and training make up about 50 % of the total package, maybe more. I have seen puppies from outstanding breedings turn into mush. SO to answer your question my opinion is it's impossible to tell what you are going to get until you get it, got it? LOL|
by Blitzen on 11 January 2012 - 01:42
|Very true, Dogz and Rik. Those who can do...............|
by Chaz Reinhold on 11 January 2012 - 01:44
|That cat has the potential to be hit by a car. ;]|
by Rik on 11 January 2012 - 01:53
|or have it's tail shortned by a fan belt.|
by GSDPACK on 11 January 2012 - 01:56
|Awh... hit my heart.. I am only glad she doesn't go on a road.. but her hunting skills are fantastic! which pisses me off.|
I am training a dog, a female that has a potential, so yes, I agree one has to train the dog...... Just the other day I talked about this dog with the breeder and I told her I am the weakest link of this partnership her and I have. I told her if somebody much, much better got this dog in their hands, she could make it so darn far.... but I guess I am the privilidged one to get flipped off by her (the wanderful Lena)sometimes.
World class dogs have to have the heart, the ethics, the strong working desire and a handler good enough to show it all!
It is the dog, the training the dedicationa and the results! And all at the top level......
Even hit by a car with a tail like a bobcat...she is still the "world class" pain in my you know what cat!
by workingdogz on 11 January 2012 - 02:04
That is usually the curse of most dogs with awesome potential.
They get stuck with "G" handlers/trainers
You know, the average trainer that has to work/school for a living etc.
Nothing but respect for the people that can pull V across the board at a National level etc,
but I just don't have the time nor dedication I suppose to dedicate to being "perfect".
The dog must bring most of it, but the handler must mold the clay into something.
by Chaz Reinhold on 11 January 2012 - 02:33
|GSDPACK, I agree with you. Just to tell you a story.....CHAPTER 1. It was the middle of summer when men were men and women knew how to cook. I went to pick up my puppy from the breeder's club. I had second pick behind a club member. The sun was shining and the air felt like a Swedish massage after using a 12 pack of Magnums. I knew the day was going to be great because I was wearing my favorite adidas pants and a tight shirt that left nothing to the imagination....LET'S SKIP AHEAD. You can buy the book! CHAPTER 19. The club member took the pup I wanted. When I returned 4 months later, I looked better than ever, but it was funny how much better my pup was. Environment + training mean a lot.|