German Shepherd Dog > Urgent Urgent! Urgent!it is fatal! (23 replies)
Urgent Urgent! Urgent!it is fatal!
by petoasis on 06 January 2012 - 15:35
| My bitch 3 years has delivered her 1st litter yesterday,starting at noon finished at 9:00pm. every thing seem normal she has six puppies ,she finished her food at 11:00am.but few hours her through it all , seems tired , no interest to take care puppies, and has fever, I met vet at 6:00pm tonight,unfortunately ,it found (X-ray)one more puppy in mom body so it make she sick and fever,vet gave her oxycitin the dead puppy come out, it is huge.The problem is vet said the mother cannot feed the puppies anymore because she need antibiotic amoxicillin for ten days,because the mother is sick I need to hand feed for ten days.My concerns are , the puppies has fed mother milk for 24 hrs, is it enough develop the immune system?After ten days mother still have milk to feed?|
I have other bitch her puppies is 24days old can she feed the newborn puppies?Any antibiotic is save for nursing puppies?The blood count is quite normal,only the calcium low1.07 vs 1.25-1.5 , the WBC is low 2.43 vs 5.5-16.9,RBC is 7.04 vs 5.5-8.5.Did she need antibiotic , and where is the fever come from? Please advise thANK YOU VERY MUCH!
by wlpool on 06 January 2012 - 15:39
|If the other mother will take your puppies then yes put them on her asap. I had my dog on amoxi while she was nursing with no problems. My vet had no problem with the puppies nursing while she was on it. Good luck!|
by beetree on 06 January 2012 - 15:41
|Yes, also I would take a cloth and wipe it on the bitch, and her pups, and then wipe it on the newborn pups to give them her smell, so she will be more inclined to accept them.|
by petoasis on 06 January 2012 - 17:10
|Now is 3 hrs after amoxicillin,she looks better ,no more vomiting and eat few pieces of meat ,the vet ask me give her Under skin water 1000ml twice a days.I gave her 700 ml two hrs ago.I still reluctent give them back to there mom.!!!Any more advise has experience while nursing and take amoxicillin At the same time.It is 1:00am in Asia .I still wait for advise please.|
by Sunsilver on 06 January 2012 - 17:24
|Petoiasis, there are likely other reasons the vet doesn't want the pups to suckle. If she is getting 'water' (intravenous fluid) under the skin, it is because she is dehydrated (not enough water in her body) and having the pups nurse would make this worse.|
I think you should follow his advice, and either feed the pups by bottle, or try to get the other female to let them nurse.
Okay, I looked it up, and the company that makes Amoxil says it is safe to use during pregnancy, and will be passed to the pups through the breast milk. It does NOT say this will be harmful in any way, though.
by petoasis on 06 January 2012 - 18:00
|Hello friends, The temperature now is 39.3 C,it seem under control,she not dehydrated ,the vet said just in case ,it can prevent dehydrated.I will bottle feed them one or two days ,if the mother doing well I will give her back. Can it be survive ,the puppies only have first 24 hours bitch milk??Thank you very much!|
by wlpool on 06 January 2012 - 18:19
|With the correct formula a puppy should be okay with only 24 hours of mother's milk. Use good puppy formula.|
by cphudson on 06 January 2012 - 18:33
|You can purchase puppy formula with colotrum in it to help boost the puppies immune system. Amox is not harmful for the puppies to digest through feeding once the mother is strong enough to take care of her puppies. Don't wait too long though to put the mother back with the puppies since milk supply meets milk demand, & if there was no demand for milk for a while should won't produce enough once placed back.|
24 hours won't make a big difference but a few days will. I hope she is feeling better.
You can keep the mother dog with her puppies to help keep them warm, clean up & bonding, but but a large t-shirt on her with the end secure around her abdomen so the puppies can't nurse from her yet.
by Sunsilver on 06 January 2012 - 18:35
|Small puppies need to suckle frequently. They spend most of their first week either attached to a nipple or sleeping. They get dehydrated very quickly if they are not nursing or being fed by bottle. I hope the vet has given you good instructions on how to feed them. You must rub their bottom after feeding to make them poop and pee. This is VERY important, as they can get very sick if they aren't getting rid of body wastes. They will have trouble controling their body temperature at this age too, and will need either a heat lamp or a heating pad designed especially for puppies. One made for humans is not safe, as it can get too hot and burn them. It also won't be chew-proof.|
Can someone here give Petoasis a good link to info on caring for orphaned puppies? There's a lot to know, and I'm just skimming the surface here!
by pepke on 06 January 2012 - 18:37
|The best you can feed newborns is goat milk, it 's the most similar to mother milk and I one time a puppy 10 days old on Amoxicillin, it was not harmful. You have to be careful when you try to put them to your other female, she might want to kill them. But I raised up a whole litter with goat milk, because the dam had no milk at all and their where fine, specially when they got the first 24 hour milk from their mother, thats where their develop their immun stystem and she might still produce milk after 10 days, you can feed her the goat milk too, it is producing mother milk. Wish you the best.|
by Jenni78 on 06 January 2012 - 18:51
|I have one...I'm looking for it.|
by 1GSD1 on 06 January 2012 - 19:11
|Her white count would be high with an infection I would think. Do listen to your vet however we have had females on amoxi! Little gets through to the pups and it is safe. Again ask and listen to your vet.|
As a matter of fact we have powdered Amoxi ready to mix on hand for pups from our vet.
by petoasis on 06 January 2012 - 20:06
|I use Beaphar Lactol puppy milk, .they seems quite like it.The temperature remain 39.3 C.I think if the bitch remain stable tomorrow I will give puppies back . I can buy a fresh goat milk ,feed them directly?|
by petoasis on 06 January 2012 - 20:10
|The fresh goat need to sterilize?|
by wrknk9 on 06 January 2012 - 20:10
|From Mary C. Wakeman, D.V.M. of the Canine Fertility Center in Connecticut:|
by Judy P on 06 January 2012 - 21:11
|My concerns would be more about her calcium level and make sure she is properly hydrated. Amoxxi is generally considered safe for nursing Moms.|
by Sunsilver on 06 January 2012 - 21:37
|Okay, I missed that! Low calcium can kill. And, of course, the more milk the puppies take, the lower it's going to get!|
by yellowrose of Texas on 06 January 2012 - 23:02
|Feed the bitch raw liver, and make Malt o Meal for her with her kibble or meat.. It is high in Folic and the other option is to buy canned PUPPY food and feed bitch..|
My vet always had me feed canned puppy food for one week with raw liver two weeks on both sides of the process..
Also yu can sprinkle Dried Milk over Bitch's food also ...contains calcium naturally or also give yogurt or cottage cheese three times a day...small amounts of everything added so not to upset stomach ....
then increase each day to bigger amounts..
No calcium tablets...can be dangerous to mother's glands and does not disolve properly..Feed things with calcium in the food unless you get in a danger zone.
by petoasis on 07 January 2012 - 13:39
|I don't know weather friends can see this ,I got fresh goat milk but I feed lactol for three days, may I switch to fresh goat milk or remain Lactol?Fresh goat is safe ?|