German Shepherd Dog > Need some input.... on puking! (22 replies)
Need some input.... on puking!
by Elkoorr on 05 January 2012 - 20:28
|My boy Apache puked the 4th night in a row last night. If things would be only as easy as saying...well, he is sick. But they arent.|
I feed my dogs twice a day. He gets 1.5 cups of Wellness Core kibble moistened up with water at each meal. He's been on it for close to 2 years now. 3 other dogs are getting the same food, no problems. Apache eats fine, is enthusiastic, full of energy and all of his obnoxious self. No sign at all that he doesnt feel well. Poops are fine as well, not too soft and not too hard. And whats most puzzeling, he only puked at night, never throughout the day. He has been wormed about 2 weeks ago using ivermectin. We went to training today and he enjoyed himself very much, even played 3 dog ball after and he had no hesitations with all the running around.
Hubby and myself are tired of getting up in the middle of the night to do clean ups. Dont even know what to tell the vet "he pukes at night but otherwise is perfectly fine?"
I need some brain storming please. Anyone experienced this before?
by Jenni78 on 05 January 2012 - 20:35
|Any reason to wonder if ivermectin didn't agree with him maybe? Do you always use that? Any previous problems? Does he drink a lot of water? Is there possibly anything he could be getting into at night, outside, say in the last potty break? I had a dog do that once- couldn't figure out what was going on but followed him outside and discovered that he was eating something weird in the corner of the yard, hence the puking. |
Giardia can cause puking sometimes; is he thin at all? Does he eat grass?
No weight loss? No change in coat consistency? I don't know what you mean by obnoxious; that must surely be a typo. I'm quite positive he is charming.
by Chaz Reinhold on 05 January 2012 - 21:44
|Maybe he ate the Wii remote cover. We're missing ours and my dog puked. But not 4 days in a row.|
by charity on 05 January 2012 - 22:18
One of our dogs has been doing the same thing. No fever, no lethargy, eating fine, pooping fine but when her tummy is empty (middle of the night or right before supper) she heaves up a small puddle of bile colored mucus. This morning she chukked up 2 little pieces of chewed plastic. So I am hoping that is the end of that.
by Chaz Reinhold on 05 January 2012 - 22:21
|Yes, how'd ya know?|
by djc on 05 January 2012 - 22:22
Let's think this through...
by charity on 05 January 2012 - 22:28
Two, chewed, little white pieces of plastic.......sorry. check's in the mail.
by 1GSD1 on 05 January 2012 - 22:29
|We have had that happen and it's at night. Chewed plastic as someone said, I know my router was destroyed one day and I think a plastic water bottle from the counter!|
My sister-in-law's dog did this and it was a squeaky that he ate from a stuffed toy. It was imbedded in his intestines and he needed surgery. He was off his food, my dogs were not and they have chewed dishes too. Now it's stainless only, but they have always puked at night and something they ate came up.
by yellowrose of Texas on 05 January 2012 - 23:11
| Blaize did same thing and he died after the third day of throw up..We thought he just ate grass or something that made his stomach sour., as he was a hugh boned gsd.|
Found out he ate too many pieces of his KONG and it caused Liver failure...plus was obstucting other parts of intestine ...
Nothing we could do by the time I got him to the vets office...Now we have no Kongs, and of course, all dishes are stainless steel or eat off ground..But you cannot stop them from dirt, rocks , or fence wood bark and they are like garbage vacuums....
We would have never every thought anything he put in his mouth would not come out..his kong he secretly would knaw on while Heith was reading late into the morning. Blaize was my sons dog he raised from pup and was his right hand man...been all over the USA and was well trained, well socialized and a fabulous dog..and has never been sick one day in his life...
The puking he ever did was usually when his tummy was upset he ate grass....three acres of anything he wanted....so it was a shock.
The funny thing , is , like your dog, he chased a horse w rider in ditch out front down a half an acre length of fenceline, the afternoon before we found him laying lethargic and half dead on front porch..I had been only giving him broth with rice for two days...his bowl cleared up to firmer but not perfect...so I assumed he was mended especially since he showed no signs of feeling bad..
Vet was sure either liver or kidney failure as bits of pieces of kong began showing up...the night before he did die. There had to have been an obstruction somewhere.
by Jenni78 on 05 January 2012 - 23:27
|Isn't there a flu outbreak in your area? I swear I read something about it on this or another forum. A few dogs from training clubs in your area were sick, if I remember right. Could it be that he just has a mild form and for whatever reason, happens to only throw up at night, but isn't sick enough to act sick? |
What does he throw up when he throws up? I assume you don't mean regurgitate, as you're a medical professional, and you mention getting up in the middle of the night to clean it, so it should be on its way to digested...not still in the esophagus as it would be with simple regurgitation. Is it food, digested food, or bile or just clear?
by Chaz Reinhold on 05 January 2012 - 23:58
|I think you guys freaked her out.|
by Jenni78 on 06 January 2012 - 00:15
|I doubt it. She's an ER nurse. She has a pretty good grasp on medical stuff. If there was any reason to suspect something as serious as YR suggested, I think she'd notice it and medical stuff isn't likely to freak her out bad enough to not post back. My guess is she's busy...or at work...or napping before she goes to work. ;-)|
I hope it's not because Apache got sicker.
by melba on 06 January 2012 - 00:30
|Our vet had reported quite a few cases early last year of the dog flu. Sina and I train at the same club, so in the area it would be.|
We haven't been to club in ages, before I tell you that mine too did this for a few days. Syd was 2 days and Haley was both ends
for 2 days (she's the best dog ever! A sphincter of steel that dog has LOL) None of the other 3 dogs have had any symptoms.
Sina, Didn't Andrea's dog have something a few months back? Was it Rowdey? Can't remember.
by Elkoorr on 06 January 2012 - 00:33
|No freaking out here, Chaz, LOL Just puzzled with the entire thing. He is throwing up half digested (chunks) to completely digested food last night (looked like mushy poo but didnt smell like poo). He is not in a crate but has the run of the house. Nothing is missing or newly chewed up. Nothing in the yard I could get into (he is rather finicky in eating stuff he doesnt know). No grass eating observed. Yes, I am going outside with the gang a couple times with flash to make sure everyone does their business, and hubby is in bed early so they dont bark. Last night dinner was around 7pm, he puked at 2am. First I thought its stress and punned up energy from training being cut back over the holidays, but took them out for an hour romp yesterday late afternoon and still...|
Have to check into the option of destroying balls, kinda like the kong issue. I am careful with the bloating part as his dad (Ron vom Ludwigseck) died an untimely dead and we couldnt figure out exactly why, but assume it was torsion. He shows no signs of the typical bloating symptoms.
In the evenings, yes, they all will lay around. So something to check into it as well. I know my guys are burbers (now do I really need to burb him like a baby ;P)
Jen, no flu cases in my area as far as I know. All of mine have been on Ivermectin for a year now, before it was Tri-heart which has it in it as well. Never any issues. Thanks for the input though, keep the ideas coming. If it happens again this night, I will take him to the vet tomorrow. At least I have now some ideas as to what to put in the vets head.
by Jenni78 on 06 January 2012 - 00:45
|Melba, I knew I read that and had associated it w/Elkoorr for some reason. Thanks. I'm not crazy. |
I, personally, would not soak kibble due to such conflicting theories, but who knows? If you worm regularly with ivermectin, or anything really, I would keep them on a really good probiotic; chemical wormers are hell on the intenstinal balance. So much of the immune system is centered in the gut that I try to keep them on a good probiotic, especially after any kind of chemical treatment. That really is kind of odd, though hearing Melba's experience with similar makes me feel better, like it's just a bug of some sort.
by Two Moons on 06 January 2012 - 00:54
Feed once a day after exercise and see what happens.
Ivermectin can be dangerous depending on it's use.
by Elkoorr on 06 January 2012 - 02:10
|Melba is right, there were about 3 dogs sick in the club, but this was in September as I lost Anni puppy. Which of course freaked everyone out, but was totally unrelated with each dog. Yet every dog showed more symptoms of being ill, like not eating, staying hunched or being withdrawn.|
Jen, I dont let it soak, just moisten it. Moons, Ivermectin can be dangerous if one cant do the math. Lets see what this night brings.
by Jenni78 on 06 January 2012 - 02:20
|I figured you were pretty adept at dosages so I didn't mention the ivermectin except in the sense that he may have had a reaction to it, but that's less likely if he's used to it. |
Keep us posted, ok? Odd thing going on.
by yellowrose of Texas on 06 January 2012 - 05:50
Give him two rolaids
by yellowrose of Texas on 06 January 2012 - 05:52
Or 2 tablsp of Kaopectate If he is a big dog..lol
Why am I telling a nurse?