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by Red Sable on 12 January 2012 - 20:13 |
| "I would look at Sportwaffen k9 for help." Me too! He works his own dogs, and is as honest as they come. No control freak contracts. This is one of his dogs, absolutely great with kids, a total push over, as loving as can be with family and friends, but look out strangers! This dog would not go home with anyone else, I'm sure of it. She won't even go with friends; she is the most loyal dog I've ever owned.   I know she is a long coat, but he doesn't breed for those, she just happened, so he sold her to me at pet price. Lucky for me! |
Red Sable by destiny4u on 12 January 2012 - 20:16 |
| what is sportwaffens name on here? i cant find itwas just looking for a post with them in it |
by clc29 on 12 January 2012 - 20:23 |
| I googled them and came up with this website, http://www.sportwaffenk9.com/index.shtml Looks like thay have some nice dogs. |
clc29 by Red Sable on 12 January 2012 - 20:27 |
| I think it is k9grimmdog or grimmdog destiny |
by remione1 on 12 January 2012 - 20:34 |
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/userinfo.html?userid=18144 |
remione1 by Jenni78 on 12 January 2012 - 20:49 |
| Yes, Nate is a very nice, helpful person. I bred a dog that was bred to a dog he sold (did you all follow that? LOL) and he was very helpful in getting me info on the sire to help puppy buyers learn about him. Nice guy and I know through others that he is trustworthy. |
Jenni78 by wrestleman on 13 January 2012 - 17:26 |
| I would look no further than www.vomreichtal.com They are in Ky just south of the Ohio border and have super working dogs. All are HOT and there are many of their pups titled all over the country. They are honest and trustworthy as they come. I know of none any better than Richard and Melody Greba |
by duke1965 on 14 January 2012 - 12:13 |
| http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=164976 |
by Blitzen on 14 January 2012 - 13:02 |
| I wish those who are suggesting breeders to newbies would care more about recommending those who test ther dogs for DM; if there is any doubt how improtant that is, look at Beetree's thread about that disease. Why is that not as vital as a Sch title, drive, a v rating or a breed survey? |
Blitzen by Jenni78 on 14 January 2012 - 14:23 |
| Why, Blitzen? I think, because, as of yet, it's hardly a "mainstream" test, meaning the vast majority of GSD breeders, both "good" and "bad" aren't doing it. It's only recently that there have been any breeders testing for it that I would be remotely interested in. When the tests first came out, it seemed like some showlines tested, some Am. lines, and some people with "working lines" who hardly know their own dogs, they have so many, yet test for everything under the sun in an effort to appear "responsible" to uneducated newbies surfing the net. How many top top working line kennels are testing for it? How many foreign kennels? It's just a numbers game at this point; you are likely cutting off your nose to spite your face very often if you refuse to consider a breeder who doesn't test for DM. I'm not going to refuse to recommend an excellent breeder because they have not yet elected to test the probability that their dog could develop or produce DM. People who don't hang out on the forums don't even know about DM. |
by Blitzen on 14 January 2012 - 14:48 |
Why? So that more people don't end up with dogs with DM - not good enough? |
by Jenni78 on 14 January 2012 - 14:58 |
| You asked why, and I offered an explanation- the reason I see most people not doing it. They've never had a dog affected, never known anyone with an affected dog, don't know anything about it, and therefore don't test. It's not some big conspiracy to try to ruin people's lives with DM dogs. It's just that they don't KNOW. Again, how about posting pedigrees? When people see familiar names, it might get them to think twice. Why are you so opposed to calling out these lines that have it? If someone's dog regularly produces epilepsy or dysplasia, it's all over the place. Why not show the peds and see if we can learn anything or get someone with related breeding dogs to test or quit? That, to me, seems far more proactive and purposeful than just bashing people who don't currently test. |
by joanro on 14 January 2012 - 14:59 |
| People who are testing for DM and are not discriminate in the quality of their breeding dogs can have a very negative affect on the GSD as a breed. If they keep only dogs that are N/N and every kennel who has dogs with normal gene don't have quality, say temperament, and people looking for "responsible" breeder testing for DM chooses from such kennel, then pretty soon the GSD as a breed is going to backslide to the point it won't be worth the powder to blow it away. That is what happens when too much weight is put on test results for DM, which even the OFA has warned against. OFA has stated that the mutated gene is so prevalent that culling(not using) dogs with the mutation would be detrimental to the breed. One must keep things in perspective. |
by Jenni78 on 14 January 2012 - 15:13 |
| Yes, Joanro. This goes back to what Gustav said with hybrid vigor- too much bottlenecking is no good. Look at all the problems that have already been created. I took it a step further and said natural selection should be allowed to play a greater role. The test should be nothing more than another tool, one more factor in a breeding decision, not THE breeding decision. As I stated in another thread (or this one...seems all the threads around here are suddenly about DM), many of the people I see testing aren't doing the right thing with the knowledge, imho. I see many testing for everything under the sun, whether it's a real risk or not, in the interest of being "responsible" and yet they let the truly important traits fall by the wayside. When I breed, I try to breed for the whole dog, and take the whole picture into consideration. One must weigh pros and cons and breed accordingly. Naturally, some weigh heavier than others, but it would serve people well to remember there is no perfect dog, and you must try to improve with every pairing. Throwing out every carrier would be no more beneficial than throwing out every breeding pair who has ever produced a dysplastic dog. |
by Blitzen on 14 January 2012 - 15:16 |
In some breeds the percentage of dogs tested at risk is much higher than in this breed. So far, per the OFA test, about 75% of GSD's have tested clear while breeds like Corgis have a much lower test rate, around 25% I think. I posted the OFA recommendations here so have read them too. |
by KellyJ on 14 January 2012 - 15:24 |
Mother nature is a ruthless teacher, and humans will never beat her... |
KellyJ by karen forbes on 14 January 2012 - 15:40 |
| Is that a real pic of your dog-his tongue is like a mile long it cracks me up |
by joanro on 14 January 2012 - 15:49 |
| Actually, Blitzen, I don't think it's a matter of catching up to other breeds, being that the disease used to be considered a German shepherd dog condition. Not any more, they are way down on the list for occurrence, so we must be doing something right. And that has been before OFA found another test to make money off dog owners. Initially the DNA test was for diagnostic purpose, now it is for profiling. Which is not bad, except other than testing pups before their sold and killing the A/A pups because nobody would want them, there is really no application except OFA making a bunch of money from a test that is arbitrary at best, being that regardless of test results breeding worthy dogs are still going to be used. And guess what, those rocket scientists don't know why all "at risk" don't develop the disease or why some reach well into their teens before any symptoms occur. Let's not create a holocaust against the breed for the sake of political correctness. |
by Blitzen on 14 January 2012 - 15:53 |
| Why did you test your own dogs, joanro? If the parents are tested and an at risk is not bred to another at risk or a carrier is not bred to another carrier, there will be be no AA's to worry about..and that's the point of using the DNA test. |
by joanro on 14 January 2012 - 16:11 |
| Ok, let me try to explain this way : if you can only mate pairs according to compatibility based on those test results, you may as well throw out all knowledge of individual characteristics of dogs since they may not be good DNA matches, and then you wind up with DNA desirable dogs that are randomly matched regarding all other traits. |
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