German Shepherd Dog > Who Do You Trust (288 replies)
by beetree on 10 January 2012 - 14:53
|Actually Carlin, like most things on here, there is what you read face value, and then there is the rest. |
by Avery Hill Kennels on 10 January 2012 - 14:57
|Has Capri been breed EVERY heat since she hit the US ???|
She came breed,(Import litter) every year has been breed and advertised here(Chico X Capri) NOW finding "breeding's" that were not advertised here(Caleb X Capri).And planning another breeding back to back.
I have to agree that it does appear that she was trying to hide something. Every other litter Jenni shows pics and video and raves on and on about them. But not once was there mention of this litter.I hope the poor girl has had at least ONE break in litters :(
by Keith Grossman on 10 January 2012 - 15:06
|"I had no idea that disclosing ones name and location was a requirement of this site."|
It isn't but to anyone reading this thread objectively, you would seem to have a personal vendetta which, in turn, brings your credibility into question. It would appear that you consider yourself somewhat acomplished in the dog world so knowing who you are might help in that regard.
Either way, I've always believed that if you don't have the integrity to stand behind what you're saying, perhaps you shouldn't be saying it.
by workingdogz on 10 January 2012 - 15:18
|And you are always welcome to your opinion!|
by Keith Grossman on 10 January 2012 - 15:21
by Jenni78 on 10 January 2012 - 15:24
|Workingdogz, you have been seriously misinformed. I will not call you a liar, because you may/probably do seriously believe what you've been told. I have a pretty good idea where it's all coming from. One has to examine motive/agenda when assessing actions. I welcome you to email me if you are actually interested in the truth of any of the statements you bring up. At any rate, when someone is trashing another, remember, believe only half of what you see and none of what you hear. Please, seriously, show me where I have ripped apart someone I didn't have personal experience with. I think you don't realize because I often speak generally without naming names that I actually DO have firsthand experience with certain people/dogs. Your attention to me seems odd and I would be very curious to know who you are, as I have asked you before and you have refused to tell me. As Keith said, you want to be credible, a name would help accomplish that. Not really fair to hide and then accuse someone very public of hiding. |
GSDPack, drop the ESL thing. You know perfectly well that's not why I said what I said. I already explained my point and even aplogized if you took it the wrong way. I just think if you're going so far out of your way to be uber nasty, a little attention to detail goes a long way. I didn't say a word about your misspellings or sentence structure, ever. I have a lot of respect for other countries who speak several languages instead of us here in the USA who think English IS the only language, lol. It's just that if you're bashing the poor dog, get his name right. If you don't, it won't show up properly in search engines and all your energy was for naught! ;-) I don't wish to turn this around and against you, but maybe you don't realize how it appears. Email me and I will send you links. I think you'll see a pattern. Others certainly have.
Some of you haters have seen pics of those pups many times, even in personal emails when you asked me questions about your own dogs. Never had a problem with them until someone else said something, then you go into bandwagon/mob action mode. Predictable. I won't call you out, so don't worry;-)
Dawulf, you know nothing. You only slept on my couch. These people are the real experts, whoever they are.
Avery Hill KENNELS, yes, Capri is on her 17th litter. Is that too much? She's kind of weak, but once I help her up, she gets around pretty good! I think she's got a couple rounds left in her, no? Actually, there are several of "those" puppies' owners on this forum. You just weren't in witch hunt mode when they were posted, apparently and you missed them. Isachev, Hunger4justice, von sprengkraft are all on here. Von Sprengkraft doesn't post much, but the secret puppy is her damn avatar, as is Isachev's.
Judy, I am sorry your thread was turned into this. I wouldn't have contributed had I known the vultures would circle immediately and not leave. I apologize. I keep trying to back out of it but then someone says something really nice and I feel guilty having other people/friends defend me when I'm not bothering to do it myself. In closing, I have never hid who I really was on any forum. I am one of the most easily accessible people I know. Truly, if anyone reading this really wants to know something for some reason other than morbid curiosity, you're welcome to email me. jen(at)vomeisenherz.com. I get to go have a root canal today. I think it will be more fun. HAHA!
I'd think if I were half as bad as you seem to think/want to make me look, that I would have pissed off SOMEONE along the way who actually bought a dog from me, right? But no...all the people who know me are happy with their dogs and don't even seem to hate awful little me that much.
by beetree on 10 January 2012 - 15:48
|I just don't get why everyone thinks this is a witch hunt because of the facts. If anyone else bred their dogs without certain titles and health checks, they would be called backyard breeders. Jenni is obviously respected enough by her peers that it is not required of her, that's how I see it.|
by Carlin on 10 January 2012 - 15:58
|Would someone please provide a link to dog in question?|
by hunger4justice on 10 January 2012 - 15:58
|Carlin, I PMd you and the links are there.|
by Keith Grossman on 10 January 2012 - 15:59
|"I just don't get why everyone thinks this is a witch hunt..."|
Because it's obvious that that's exactly what it is to any objective observer.
by beetree on 10 January 2012 - 16:02
|I think it is more obvious you are just a little miffed about not knowing who workingdogz is...quite the mystery, I agree.|
by Keith Grossman on 10 January 2012 - 16:05
|Why would I be miffed? It isn't a reflection on me.|
by beetree on 10 January 2012 - 16:09
|Come on, Keith, you want to know. No one has to use their real name. Your reasons aren't used to judge my reasons. You just really, really want to know. Get in line! LOL|
by hunger4justice on 10 January 2012 - 16:53
"Actually hungerforjustice, this does in fact relate to the topic of "Who can you trust",
the breeder of your "World Class" pup has denied, or avoided numerous times when asked if she bred
her untested/no health clearance male to her SchH1 female, so yes, that relates to honesty, ergo TRUST."
HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY DOG MAHAN VON DER WILMOTHAUS IS A WORLD CLASSS DOG AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED. LOOK UP HIS PEDIGREE.
I also did not say anything else your post addressed to me claims. Who ARE YOU?
by GSD Admin on 10 January 2012 - 16:54
|We simply are not playing this game anymore. We have cleaned this thread 3 times and are done. This thread is not about who a person is or why they seek to remain anonymous. It is not about any one breeder. And whether you folks like it or not is not about Jen and what she has bred. You have made your points now move on.|
I do not think this thread is what the OP had in mind and why are there certain people who must stir but those same people never really contribute anything but pot stirring. You know who you are and you need to stop. Quit stirring every drama pot that is started on this site. We all see, now you need to see it or we start playing the subtraction game.
by Herd with GS on 10 January 2012 - 17:06
To say you don't breed for hips or titles etc. Do not know the deal with your males hips and do not care non of my business. Usually when a person states they do not breed for hips , titles etc its because they have a problems with hips in their dogs and with working ability and being able to he titled. I am not saying this about you or your dogs but when one hears these statements it makes people wonder.
by Jenni78 on 11 January 2012 - 21:55
|Herd, I don't think you read the posts. Or at least you haven't read any of my posts, either in this thread or countless others where I have stated my philosophy on breeding. That's been covered pretty thoroughly. I just copied my answer to a similar question below. |
Every other GSD litter I've bred with my current bitch was sired by a KKL1 (never a 2), V rated, A1 hips (never even bred to an A2!) SchH3 or IPO3 or both, and a certified PSD. To make an allowance for one exceptional older dog, to me, says more about what that particular dog must be than it does about someone having "problems" with their dogs' "hips or working ability". The few pups I've produced are working quite nicely, though not very old yet. Several are well on their way to various titles, we have some BHs already, a few waiting on a SchH1 (not old enough) and one has been a certified K9 with many agencies since only a year old. Thus far, joints have been good as well. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Most people who know how picky I am just figured there must be a pretty good reason to make an exception for one dog who doesn't possess the previously mentioned official titles and gave me the benefit of the doubt because they know I stand behind my dogs 100%, so obviously, I'm pretty confident. Hope that answers your question, if it was a question. I wasn't really sure exactly how you wanted me to respond to that.
by j haynes on 11 January 2012 - 23:30
|I trust Carol Hudson of Watcher Engel kennels. When I was looking for a shepherd I did a TON of research on pedigrees and found the right combo of a particular breeding she was doing that I loved. She was honest from the first day...her and I still talk everyday and I have made a second mother out of her...lol. She is the first "dog person" and last that I have met that is always honest and is a genuine person. They are rare...she is one of them. |
by Nadeem6 on 12 January 2012 - 00:01
|This is some of what Jen @Vom Eisenherz produces. If you like it great, if not then there are other wonderful breeders mentioned also one could contact. I trust her completely and plan on getting another pup from her in the future or at least having her guide me in finding another one. I think each litter has been awesome and no buyer was misinformed or lied to.|
Here is the pedigree, if you can find better then great for you. But it is top notch. If some breeders don't like her then they don't need to buy a pup from her.
by isachev on 12 January 2012 - 01:05
|Awesome pic Nadeem, and I can vouch for how well Bravo is doing in Sch H, as I seem him working just about every Saturday. For such a young dog, he is proving himself as one of the top dogs in our club, and there are some very nice dogs. Keep up the good work you two. Take Care Pete|