German Shepherd Dog > Who Do You Trust (288 replies)
Who Do You Trust
by Judy P on 04 January 2012 - 16:25
|After all of the stuff with Chrissy and Kaiser I am not sure who you should trust when you go to purchase a puppy. I do like the Czech dogs and I was leaning towards getting a puppy through Hans despite the cost involved. Obviously I will not be going that route. I have attempted to contact another kennel in the Czech Republic and got no response so despite the fact this was the first choice for me I have given up. |
Unfortunately most of the people I know breed showline dogs which I do not want despite the fact I have been offered a couple.
I have answered a few ads on here including one that I was very interested in only to find out puppies did not have AKC reg. I guess I got very very lucky with my Malinois. The breeder I bought my male from is wonderful and totally honest. The female I imported from Croatia as she was exactly what I wanted. I know there has to be an honest GSD breeder out there I just have to keep looking.
by gagsd4 on 04 January 2012 - 16:35
|If you train regularly with a club, then chances are you will get to know people who can import for you, or know people who know people.|
I have met quite a few people training and attending trials that I would call on if I wanted assistance importing.
by workingdogz on 04 January 2012 - 16:59
|Judy P wrote:|
"The breeder I bought my male from is wonderful and totally honest. The female I imported from Croatia as she was exactly what I wanted"
Contact THAT breeder and ask THEM to find you a good GSD, and offer a finders fee/pay expenses etc.
It's about networking, utilizing the relationships you have made, but be fair and offer to compensate.
They may not accept your offer to compensate, but will apprecate you recognized that they were going out of their way for you.
by judron55 on 04 January 2012 - 17:14
|Try Grayblack kennels or Vikar or Sorbon Majoruv haj....I have contacted them in the last month and all responded.|
by GSDPACK on 04 January 2012 - 17:30
I can contact hem for you, PM me I can tell them to look out for your email. That is NOT a problem....
by sable59 on 04 January 2012 - 17:33
|pm desertdog, he has an honest breeder that is in czech|
by Two Moons on 04 January 2012 - 17:43
|Trust no one,|
unless you do business in person you will always be taking some risk.
by Jenni78 on 04 January 2012 - 17:52
|Oh, yeah. Nobody gets screwed in person. |
I have never been screwed on a dog I shipped or imported. Never really been screwed on a dog, period, actually, but while buying in person might be a little more secure, I see no real difference between that and buying from someone over the phone w/a pristine reputation. If the puppy has health problems and you have warranty issues, then what does it matter if you bought it face to face or via phone or email? It doesn't. All that matters is how it's handled. There have been lots of threads about people buying in person and then suddenly the breeder vanishes.
I would buy from someone with a "presence" and nothing to hide, personally.
For the record, I would trust GSDpack...though I often don't agree with her opinions, I would trust her as far as buying a dog. Trust and getting along with someone are 2 different things. I think people are often mystified by charisma and don't do their homework. I don't care if I buy the dog from a total @ss as long as they're honest.
by GSD2727 on 04 January 2012 - 18:18
|I am kind of confused why so many people on this board (and in general) are so quick to look to huge brokers and people who have so many dogs. The FIRST thing I would look for when looking for a breeder is a smaller breeder who has and works his/her own dogs. There are so many excellent breeders in the United States now that have excellent dogs and are breeding excellent litters. Why not look to some of these breeders who want to get their puppies into good working homes?|
Even if you go with a German breeder, thats fine... but why go with the huge broker business type people? I guess I dont understand the appeal?
by workingdogz on 04 January 2012 - 18:29
I think a lot of people go outside of the US because some of the breeders (mainly seems like the larger mass producing ones) tend to place
so many "restrictions" and contract requirements upon their pups. It's just easier and less hassle to buy outside the USA most times.
Here, breeders charge $1500+ for a pup, they want you to fill out some lengthy questionaire, then sign a 450 page contract, and essentially according to the contract THEY still "own" the dog, does this mean we the consumer are just "renting"?
Ooops, forgot, some of the larger more commercial breeders, Kraftwerk as an example just require payment in full and a shipping address
They want to sell pups on limited AKC, but charge prime dollar.
We don't breed. We did sparingly in the past years ago, but just because we purchase a puppy with "open" registration doesn't mean we will breed said pup. We just want to own what we pay for, lock stock and barrel, good bad and ugly.
I think the best laugh we get is the breeders who don't work/title their dogs, that breed untitled (and oft times dogs that are not xrayed) that want to sell pups on limited registration?
In the long run, it works out to be the same $wise or sometimes "cheaper" to buy outside of the country.
Novices tend to go with the "broker" types, it gives them a sometimes false sense of security.
by judron55 on 04 January 2012 - 18:47
|I've purchased dogs in/outside the US....never had a problem with either one. Workingdogz has a very good point concerning contracts. When I pay for a dog, it's mine to do as I please....period!|
by Donald Harris on 04 January 2012 - 19:46
|Contact Barbara Andersen at Grandcanyonk9 in Arizona. She knows hers stuff and is very honest!!|
by GSD2727 on 04 January 2012 - 20:33
|Good point about the contracts. Makes sense... I can see both sides actually. As a breeder it is tough because there are many idiots who want a puppy and want to breed it without doing the work that "should" be done before hand. As a breeder, it would break my heart to see one of my puppies go on to be used by a BYB to pump out puppies. |
FWIW when I was talking about breeders in this country I WAS NOT talking about Kraftwerk or other breeders like that. I guess I prefer the smaller breeder. While some do require contracts and sell on limited registration, I know others who do not.
Obviously each person has their reasons for going the route they go... either way thanks for the info and good luck to the OP!
by workingdogz on 04 January 2012 - 20:40
We only ever purchase from "smaller" breeders. Very rarely from within the USA, but there have been some.
But most times we have gone across the pond for the very reasons I listed.
And yes, it is a two way street, but at the end of the day, we make our decision as a consumer/buyer not as a breeder.
Breeders that train and title their own dogs, then keep back progeny to continue forward like you have done (and others) are to be commended!
by Pharaoh on 04 January 2012 - 21:08
|When I bought Mariah, I opted for extensive health clearances and a known quantity over most everything else.......besides, Kim at Just K9s is just up the street about 15 minutes. I have seen so many pictures of Rookie babies and Tika babies, that I felt much more secure. Kim and I are not close friends, but we have been acquainted for many years.|
Mariah is now 9 months old and a very substantial, well put together bitch. Big, bold and beautiful. Lot's of drive and high spirits with no conscience. The open floor plan is much to her liking-so easy to check the counter tops for goodies. She made off with a whole chicken that was in the sink and did not share it with Pharaoh. sigh......
Smart, driven dogs keep you young.
That leap of faith is a scary one when you are buying a dog.
by yellowrose of Texas on 05 January 2012 - 01:50
| Rookie is my dream boy....lol|
oh is he a dog??
Yes, Just K-9
We also have a board member with the name WRESTLEMAN
look him up *AND DOWN* and ask his advice....he can be trusted..
right here in Virginia
by Red Sable on 05 January 2012 - 01:55
|LOL @ YR!!|
by timtennisfan on 05 January 2012 - 02:27
|I was looking for a male for my female. I had heard a lot of good stuff about the knowledge of Hans regarding the Czech dogs. I sent him the pedigree of my female and he said he had the perfect mate for her which was an 11 month old green dog priced at $5,700 and I would take care of shipping/handling. After I checked out that dogs pedigree I checked out other breeders sites and some had the same lines as this $5,700 green dog that was 11 months old. I simply told Hans it was too much expense for me as I am trying to put a kid through college and he asked me what my price range was. At this point I just let it go and I will stick with the breeders in the USA as I found a breeder with similar lines just as good in Joan Ronalder's vomromgermanshepherds and it is not far from where I live as I will be able to drive and check out her dogs in person. I love the German Shepherds and my 4 year old female Rain is my best friend and to answer the topic "Who do you trust", I would trust Rain with my life! :)|
by Slamdunc on 05 January 2012 - 03:00
|There are some very good and ethical breeders that frequent this website, some post regularly, some only rarely. I do not breed or sell dogs, but if you want advice feel free to PM me and I will try to steer you in the right direction.|
by Bhall on 05 January 2012 - 03:21
|The only ones I trust now are my dogs. They will never lie....|
One lesson I have learned.... NO MATTER who you buy from and what hip rating they have according to paperwork get the hips xrayed as soon as the dog hits the ground. Better yet email the CMKU and they will be more than happy to give you info on any dog.